(November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Drich Wrote: In short, it is what God says about a given act that assigns its "moral value" and not what people think of a given act that makes it right and wrong.

...according to Drich, whose reasons regarding the significance behind the given evaluative statements are as subject to critique as anyone else's.

(November 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Drich Wrote: In short, it is what God says about a given act that assigns its "moral value" and not what people think of a given act that makes it right and wrong.

...according to Drich, whose reasons regarding the significance behind the given evaluative statements are as subject to critique as anyone else's.

and we agree god is immoral because he can do immoral things and get away with it.

(November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Drich Wrote: One can not judge the righteousness of God with a trivial standard of pop morality.

Are you god?

I wasn't asking about god's morality. I was asking about yours.

(November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Drich Wrote: In short, it is what God says about a given act that assigns its "moral value" and not what people think of a given act that makes it right and wrong.

That's the usual dance around the fire. Not a word in your posts hints at Drich the person and his answers to the issues at hand.

(November 10, 2014 at 5:19 am)abaris Wrote: Are you god?

I wasn't asking about god's morality. I was asking about yours.

does one have to be God in order to adopt His values? Isn't that what religion is all about?

So, no I am not God but I have adopted His Righteousness. Meaning where ever His righteousness and your morality conflict I will side with God's righteousness.

Quote:That's the usual dance around the fire. Not a word in your posts hints at Drich the person and his answers to the issues at hand.

Not dancing, just explaining the source of the two sets of values. In the op and the follow up explaination of the OP you broad brushed attacked the morality of God. Here it seems you have moved the goal post, and wish to address my 'morality.'

So to be clear, my 'morality' is based off of God's Righteousness and not pop culture.

That means I completely support any and everything God has ever done or had ordered to be done,merit ten or even left out of the bible. From your example to psalm where the jews sang about wanting to smash their captors babies against the rocks. It's all good to me.[/quote]

(November 9, 2014 at 11:29 pm)Drich Wrote: In short, it is what God says about a given act that assigns its "moral value" and not what people think of a given act that makes it right and wrong.

Euthyphro's second horn for the win.

^ Another way of saying that even if Drich isn't smart enough to consider the nuances of a situation, he'll forge onward with index fingers in his ears due to extreme stubbornness and arrogance (sorry, I mean because he's "adopted" "Absolute Righteousness").

(November 10, 2014 at 7:31 am)Drich Wrote: Not dancing, just explaining the source of the two sets of values. In the op and the follow up explaination of the OP you broad brushed attacked the morality of God. Here it seems you have moved the goal post, and wish to address my 'morality.'

The goal posts have already been moved by Lek taking issue with our disgust over the story at hand. Sadly, he hasn't shown up lately to be a part of the ongoing discussion.

You and him are constantly hiding behind your bible and behind god's supposed morality being above what you call pop culture. I take issue with that for a simple reason. You are persons and not some robots acting according to some operating system following certain routines.

So let me ask again, using the story at hand. In your mind, is it OK for the host to pimp out the women in order to spare his guest to be raped?

I know perfectly well that in ancient oriental societies the guest was considered sacred. And women had next to no value besides selling them as brides. But that's not the issue here. Somehow this story made it's way into the bible and so it still has some significance to people believing. And we're living in the frigging 21st century and not in the bronze age.

And there's another story, similar to this one. The story of Lot, pimping out his daughter to be gang raped to spare the angels. In your mind, is that OK? Would you deliver one of your children to certain abuse by a crazed mob, just because it's in this book?

In my mind these are easy questions for someone living in a modern society.

(November 10, 2014 at 7:31 am)Drich Wrote: That means I completely support any and everything God has ever done or had ordered to be done,merit ten or even left out of the bible. From your example to psalm where the jews sang about wanting to smash their captors babies against the rocks. It's all good to me.

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I think we should save this quote in the hall of shame, so that whenever Drich tries to get into a conversation on morals, we can just post it and then stop talking. It pretty much disqualifies him from ever telling anyone else what's moral ever again.

(November 8, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(November 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, times change the human mind set.

GC

That doesn't exactly square with your previous statement.

Is it, or is it not your belief that we have an objective, universal, timeless standard by which we can judge moral behavior?

If so, then your statement that we can't judge the morality of cultures from past eras is utter horseshit.

No, I'm saying that people with time have changed and conform to moral standards. Man kind hasn't improved on women issues, women around the world, even in this country are sold into many different slavery. Sexual slavery is the biggest, and porn is the largest part of that, the suicide rate of those in porn is large, they believe it's their only way out and if you do not believe me research it for yourself. Most people just turn their heads to this atrocities and pretend they do not exist, just so they can enjoy what you would call immoral in ancient times.

GC

(November 10, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Godschild Wrote: the suicide rate of those in porn is large, they believe it's their only way out and if you do not believe me research it for yourself.

GC

Yeah, actually I did look it up. About one case of suicide per year between 1970 and 2010 in the US porn industry. Seems extremely high indeed.

Took me about ten second to find the statistics.

https://www.thepinkcross.org/pinkcross-a...ustry-1970