(November 11, 2014 at 8:54 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 11, 2014 at 8:50 pm)dyresand Wrote: Also the religion itself was based on racism as well but had to change and gotten black people. I'm still surprised there is black mormons.

Well, there are christian women after all. That's equally amazing.

Even more amazing black christian women or mormons.

And if you're a good enough Mormon, God will turn you WHITE !!!!

So, we wonder about the corollary, if white folks are bad enough, does god turn them black ??

Joe Smith really shat out a giant cluster fuck, and nearly 200 years later, that cluster fuck has another cluster fuck up it's butt.

In the history of humanity there has never been a religious belief so outrageous or silly that no one has never believed it. A con man could turn wall paint into a deity and someone would swear that it's true.

(November 12, 2014 at 12:48 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: In the history of humanity there has never been a religious belief so outrageous or silly that no one has never believed it. A con man could turn wall paint into a deity and someone would swear that it's true.

Cult of the noodly appendage, aka church of the flying spaghetti monster.
Just a really forward name for atheists. And people can operate and be Pastafarian or atheists. Its a mocking all religions out there but with science.
oh yeah there is "holy" doctrines and other things.



but hey roll with it atheist Pastafarian.

Does anyone know if besides the multiple wife thing, does FLDS continue the racial crap too ??


(BTW, note any of the over 100 schisms of Mormon can't win either way on the racial topic. Fucked up to have it in the first place, fucked up to delete it as it calls into question early leaderships infallibility, and that, by definition, ain't religion)

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(even the Lutherans have dialed back on some of Luther too. Go figure . . . .)

(November 12, 2014 at 10:23 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Does anyone know if besides the multiple wife thing, does FLDS continue the racial crap too ??


(BTW, note any of the over 100 schisms of Mormon can't win either way on the racial topic. Fucked up to have it in the first place, fucked up to delete it as it calls into question early leaderships infallibility, and that, by definition, ain't religion)

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(even the Lutherans have dialed back on some of Luther too. Go figure . . . .)

Most recent thing I could find was in '95 and '97.

Quote:In 1995, black church member A. David Jackson asked church leaders to issue a declaration repudiating past doctrines that denied various privileges to black people. In particular, Jackson asked the church to disavow the 1949 "Negro Question" declaration from the church Presidency which stated "The attitude of the church with reference to negroes ... is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord ... to the effect that negroes ... are not entitled to the priesthood".

The church leadership did not issue a repudiation, and so in 1997 Jackson, aided by other church members including Armand Mauss, sent a second request to church leaders, which stated that white Mormons felt that the 1978 revelation resolved everything, but that black Mormons react differently when they learn the details. He said that many black Mormons become discouraged and leave the church or become inactive. "When they find out about this, they exit... You end up with the passive African Americans in the church".

Church president Hinckley told the Los Angeles Times: "The 1978 declaration speaks for itself ... I don't see anything further that we need to do". Church leadership did not issue a repudiation. Apostle Dallin H. Oaks said: "It's not the pattern of the Lord to give reasons."

Well that last sentence sure is fucking right. How freaking hard is it to literally say "We got it wrong then, lets get it right now" ?

"We" however is Joe Smith and virtually all his handpicked cronies. To admit they all were wrong about the racial edicts, strictures, and rules calls into question everything else they came up with.

Doctrines and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, they've got a heap of problems there. Even the text of speeches Mormon leaders made too. They weren't wrong just once, many, many leaders made many, many pronouncements.

I admit some enjoyment at watching them squirm while their apologetics go into overtime on this mess of Joe's making.

(November 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm)abaris Wrote: Also, I don't think your so called church fathers told you about the ending of Joseph Smith. Being killed by an angry mob, while under inverstigation for attacking the freedom of press, doesn't make for an inspiring story.

The Kirtland Bank story wouldn't help either.

(November 12, 2014 at 10:52 am)vorlon13 Wrote: "We" however is Joe Smith and virtually all his handpicked cronies. To admit they all were wrong about the racial edicts, strictures, and rules calls into question everything else they came up with.

Doctrines and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, they've got a heap of problems there. Even the text of speeches Mormon leaders made too. They weren't wrong just once, many, many leaders made many, many pronouncements.

I admit some enjoyment at watching them squirm while their apologetics go into overtime on this mess of Joe's making.

The creator of Mormonism was a noted con man and i'm still surprised that people follow it still.

(November 12, 2014 at 11:44 am)Faith No More Wrote: Not to mention the Kirtland Bank.

He was a professional con man with an insatiable dick.