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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 11:50 am
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(November 19, 2014 at 11:09 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you actually know what Peter was saying, if so please explain.
I've given my reasons for my belief on this forum many times, answering questions that are a challenge to my beliefs doesn't always require me to state the same thing over and over.
I can understand your reticence. I'd grow tired of having the internal contradictions of my faith pointed out, too.
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(November 19, 2014 at 11:30 am)Godschild Wrote: I take issue with those who claim to have been a Christian and then become an atheist. Christians know there's a God, they have no doubt, so how is it that a former Christian can become an atheist, somethings wrong some where in your thinking.
GC
What's this? A Christian who doesn't understand how someone can say, "I was wrong"?
Color me shocked.
I was clearly wrong in the superstition of my youth. I was clearly fed the religion of my folks, and didn't grow the ability to question it until I'd experienced more of life.
I wonder at how much, or how little, you have experienced of life, given your childish certitude.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 11:57 am
(November 19, 2014 at 11:50 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 11:09 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you actually know what Peter was saying, if so please explain.
I've given my reasons for my belief on this forum many times, answering questions that are a challenge to my beliefs doesn't always require me to state the same thing over and over.
I can understand your reticence. I'd grow tired of having the internal contradictions of my faith pointed out, too.
(November 19, 2014 at 11:30 am)Godschild Wrote: I take issue with those who claim to have been a Christian and then become an atheist. Christians know there's a God, they have no doubt, so how is it that a former Christian can become an atheist, somethings wrong some where in your thinking.
GC
What's this? A Christian who doesn't understand how someone can say, "I was wrong"?
Color me shocked.
I was clearly wrong in the superstition of my youth. I was clearly fed the religion of my folks, and didn't grow the ability to question it until I'd experienced more of life.
I wonder at how much, or how little, you have experienced of life, given your childish certitude.
Can we atheists agree at this point were not delusional and pretty much better off people than GC is he keeps up a argument saying we need hell when we really don't.
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November 19, 2014 at 12:01 pm
No one's buying, GC. It isn't as though you've offered anything we haven't heard before. None of it carries any weight here. So now if you keep it up you're just being a pest. Expect tempers to shred and name calling to ensue. But when it happens try to remember you aren't just the victim - you were also the instigator.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(November 18, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Nope Wrote: (November 17, 2014 at 5:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Jesus' death is not a sacrifice because he knew ahead of time that he would be resurrected.
Did you not read what I stated above, yes He knew He would be resurrected and that is an incredibly important part of the sacrifice. For a former Christian you seem to have missed out on the reality of God and his plan for mankind.
Quote:Bible god supposedly created a world where humans are flawed and can never be good enough for heaven so he punishes them forever unless they accept his son( who is also actually him) who he sent to be tortured and to commit suicide by cop.
God created a perfect world, again you as a former Christian seem to have forgotten what you read in the scriptures, if you actually did read and actually tried to understand what they say.
Sin is responsible for corrupting the creation, it is why we've never been able to be perfect in our obedience to God.
Quote: Oh, but his son(really him) knew that he wouldn't really permanently die. Can't you see that makes no sense, at all.
No, it makes perfect sense, if Christ is not resurrected then neither would we be resurrected. This is what our faith is about, trusting that God will do for us as He did for His Son.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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November 19, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Why did God have to go through the whole alter-ego-sacrifice routine in the first place? Why not just just let us be resurrected?
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November 19, 2014 at 12:22 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why did God have to go through the whole alter-ego-sacrifice routine in the first place? Why not just just let us be resurrected?
better yet why didn't god get a AK47 from the future as jesus and started kicking ass i mean god likes killing people. So him being in human form with a fully automatic weapon would do wonders.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 12:30 pm
Sin is not responsible for corrupting creation. How exactly does disobedience to god cause thorns to grow, and make childbirth painful? All this was a curse Yahweh placed on the land because he was ticked off. Not something that just started happening because of disobedience.
Disobedience to Yahweh also didn't force him to kill an anaimal just to make clothes for Adam and Eve. He can poof animals into existence, but he has to slaughter one to get skins.
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November 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 11:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 11:30 am)Godschild Wrote: Christians know there's a God, they have no doubt
You're claiming to know what is going on in other peoples' minds, despite the multitudes of christians and christian denominations that are agnostic, and very openly speak about having doubts and questions.
You can take your bald assertions and shove 'em.
A Christian that does not know God exists can have no relationship with Him, thus nullifying there claim. John 3:16 states this very idea.
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: (November 19, 2014 at 11:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You're claiming to know what is going on in other peoples' minds, despite the multitudes of christians and christian denominations that are agnostic, and very openly speak about having doubts and questions.
You can take your bald assertions and shove 'em.
A Christian that does not know God exists can have no relationship with Him, thus nullifying there claim. John 3:16 states this very idea.
GC Well, then I suppose according to you, a huge number of people that identify as Christian are not True Christians™
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RE: Eternal punishment is pointless.
November 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm
(November 19, 2014 at 11:46 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Like I said you need to ask God how that is possible, He states it is and I believe Him, He has never given me a reason to doubt. I would imagine that being a supernatural God would allow Him to do so, don't you.
Thanks for finally offering your opinion: it's supernatural.
Yeah, I'll skip that shit. Thanks for playing.
As for the rest of your post, it's twaddle and tripe per your norm; but I wanted to address the point about judgment. If you think you aren't judgmental, you're wrong. You judge people every day.
It's just that I refuse to be a hypocrite about it.
Am I judgmental or am I only stating what scripture reveals to us about our condition.
GC
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