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There are many things i cant experience because of my poor human senses.
I cant see into the ultra violet I cant see into the quantum realm.
BUT we know that they exist because of machines that can 'sense' these things and display them in a meaningfull way to humans.
I believe this is what EVF is refering too.
You however seem to leap onto the fact that we cant sense everything to lever in the possibility of a things outside the physical for which there is no proof.
We all know why, because you want to leave a space for your 'god' to exist.
fr0d0 in Exodus 33:20-23
20.And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21.And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22.And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23.And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
This seems to me like God did allow Moses to see him at least as he walked away. Or is this another allegory? When Moses requested to see his glory this was the alleged biblical Gods response. It clearly states that he saw his hind parts not that he saw where he had been, that makes no sense when you read the text.
That's accepted to be figurative language CP & not literal. 'Back parts' of God clearly means the result of his actions. Or at worst, an imperfect picture.
@ fr0d0 Typical response as expected lol. So he figuratively told him that he would cover his eyes as he passed by so that he could not see his face for he would die? Makes perfect sense.
23.And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Doesn't sound like he is talking figuratively to me. Ohh now I am reminded why I despise that nonsense of christianity called apologetics. Apologetics in it's rawest definition in my opinion is nothing but trying to make sense out of nonsense.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition
(July 12, 2010 at 3:51 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Go look up the explanations then cp and see if you can find one that supports your guess. I did, and I reported back to you what I found.
This just raises the problem (which I believe was discussed at length in another thread) of how we can know what is figurative and what is literal. Of course there will be attempted explanations of these apparent contradictions, but that's probably because people are so desperate to believe that this collection of desert scrawlings is the inerrant revealed word of God. A case in point: is the passage in Judges 1:19 (King James Version) which says, 'And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron' figurative? It appears to suggest that God is not omnipotent, and there's no alternative interpretation that I can think of. Furthermore, many Biblical scholars now admit that there are irreconcilable contradictions between the various Gospel accounts of the crucifixion and resurrection. What makes this even more comical is that two of the three Apostles copied each other... and yet they still couldn't get it right! Divinely inspired my hat!
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(July 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm)Godhead Wrote: Ok, you believe or assume (it has to be one or the other, unless you claim to know) that you are only capable of perceiving the physical.
Believe. Based on evidence.
Quote: If you're limited to perceiving what's physical, then you can't be in a position to say for sure what else there is.
Why would there be anything else?
Quote: After all, if you don't have the means to perceive it, you don't know, you ca't tell.
Don't need to.
Quote: If you want to go on from there, the options are : Everything outside the box is like the things in the box, which makes no sense, as the very nature of outside"ness" (of the box) would make that unlikely, or, put another way, the fact that you can't perceive beyond the physical must mean there's a reason, it must mean that it's nature is different.
Understand the burden of proof. I'm not the one claiming that what's outside the box is necessarily non-physical.
Quote: Physical senses perceive physical things, that's what they meant to do. If anything exists that you can't perceive, it must have a nature which makes it beyond your physical senses.
Just because the things that my physical senses perceive are also physical that doesn't mean that anything undetectable by my senses isn't physical.
The Omnissiunt One, I completely agree with your assessment of this matter. One of the many flaws of apologetics is that they try to interpret ancient texts with modern grammatical rules which anyone who has studied how these texts were written would know that they did not use the same rules that we apply to the written language today. There were no periods, commas, etc. to separate the words and sentences and paragraphs for example. It was all one long narrative which later had to be put together in a more coherent form by its translators and scribes.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition
@ TOO : when conclusions are more than obvious I tend to accept them. Your claims are no more than wishful thinking and without intellectual integrity.
How does anyone accurately interpret the seemingly literal on first sight to instead be merely metaphorical in the Bible? I miss the part where it says "Jesus' sword in replacement of peace is nevertheless metaphorical and a metaphor for peace and not violence with his sword." or "When God flooded and killed all but Noah and 2 of each animal... he only metaphorically did that."
