Oh these wacky theists with their crazy mumbo jumbo beliefs.

What'd we do without em eh?

(November 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hell is never referred to as torture except by those who see themselves qualified to be there.

You mean like the Catholic Church in Germany during the Middle Ages? You know, the ones who used scaremongering tactics to convince people to buy so called "Ablassbriefe" in order to save themselves from hellfire?

(November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Chad32 Wrote: In the bible, Yahweh sometimes has a habit of "giving people over to sin", so maybe that's really what hell is. Putting them in a place away from heaven, and giving them over to sin. Which really wouldn't be bad at all.

Again you are closer to the truth than you might think. The one part you missed is people will understand how bad every sin is and have great and agonizing remorse.

GC

Eternal remorse for being a harlot? I think not.

Humans have a pretty good ability to normalize whatever they're being put through, as long as it doesn't kill them.

Since we can't really know what an eternal mind without a body would be like, it's all hypothetical. Supposedly we can feel pain, despite some people having conditions where they can't feel pain but supposedly still have a soul attached. Maybe I could still feel pain, and I won't eventually get used to being on fire after hundreds or thousands of years, and I won't be mentally reduced to a shell where I just lay where I'm at in a state of comatose shock.

It's impossible to tell, since it's untestable. Hell itsself is really just a scare tactic. You can describe hell in whatever way will make the person fear it. I've heard people say the lake is really only there for Satan and the angels that followed him. If you're thrown in, your soul just gets destroyed and you cease to exist. Unfortunately threatening cessation of existence, or just eternal separation from Yahweh, isn't going to sway an atheist. Or someone who believes in a different god who rewards and pounishes as (s)he sees fit.

(November 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm)Losty Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Really why do you believe people will burn in hell, hell is described as a dark place, where there's no light. What reasonable thought determined hell doesn't exist.

GC

It's not a lake of fire?
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Umm...the reasonable thought that people cannot survive for eternity after they're already dead.

Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You actually know what it's like to be separated from God.
Hell is never referred to as torture except by those who see themselves qualified to be there. But your description of hell is much closer to what it will be like, except that the struggling and screaming will never end, the mind will be eternally lasting.

GC

Quote:I've been living separate from god for some time now. I find it quite refreshing.

No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm)Vosur Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hell is never referred to as torture except by those who see themselves qualified to be there.

You mean like the Catholic Church in Germany during the Middle Ages? You know, the ones who used scaremongering tactics to convince people to buy so called "Ablassbriefe" in order to save themselves from hellfire?

They abused the powers they had, just because they did something wrong doesn't mean it's true.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You actually know what it's like to be separated from God.
Hell is never referred to as torture except by those who see themselves qualified to be there. But your description of hell is much closer to what it will be like, except that the struggling and screaming will never end, the mind will be eternally lasting.

GC

Lucifer refused to bow to god he knew how god really is.
Lucifer would only punish those who would really need it so in hell people would get what came to them if the did some horrible things when they were alive. he wouldn't torture those who did god without good reason. sure blaspheme god pretty much Lucifer is your best friend after that. you just cant say Lucifer is all evil. Lucifer was a angel he lived with god he gotten free will and god said bow to me and his first actions pretty much he didn't do what he was commanded to do. you know why he knows how god really is and what type of being god really is. so enjoy time in heaven im going to were all the cool people are going to be and the fun.

Sources for this post please.

GC

"Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.
No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life." ~GC

There's no reasoning with you because you are completely irrational. Isn't arrogance a sin? Why are you sinning up this thread with such arrogance as presuming to know what hell is and what it's like?

(November 21, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Losty Wrote: "Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.
No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life." ~GC

There's no reasoning with you because you are completely irrational. Isn't arrogance a sin? Why are you sinning up this thread with such arrogance as presuming to know what hell is and what it's like?

if god pissed on GC he would love and enjoy it like most theists would and say its gods/jesus tears.

(November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Chad32 Wrote: In the bible, Yahweh sometimes has a habit of "giving people over to sin", so maybe that's really what hell is. Putting them in a place away from heaven, and giving them over to sin. Which really wouldn't be bad at all.

Again you are closer to the truth than you might think. The one part you missed is people will understand how bad every sin is and have great and agonizing remorse.

GC

Oh, great. So people will finally "understand how bad every sin is and have great and agonizing remorse" ... when they're dead and in hell and can't do a thing about it.

A god who thought up such lunacy is nothing but a sadist, or actually, the invention of sadists. I'd be ashamed to worship such a nasty concept.

(November 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Humans have a pretty good ability to normalize whatever they're being put through, as long as it doesn't kill them.

Since we can't really know what an eternal mind without a body would be like, it's all hypothetical. Supposedly we can feel pain, despite some people having conditions where they can't feel pain but supposedly still have a soul attached. Maybe I could still feel pain, and I won't eventually get used to being on fire after hundreds or thousands of years, and I won't be mentally reduced to a shell where I just lay where I'm at in a state of comatose shock.

You got this part wrong, even the lost will be resurrected with a body, so yes the physical pain will be real, but that's secondary to the mental and spiritual anguish suffered in hell.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Losty Wrote: "Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.
No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life." ~GC

There's no reasoning with you because you are completely irrational. Isn't arrogance a sin? Why are you sinning up this thread with such arrogance as presuming to know what hell is and what it's like?

And others here say I'm the one who judges others, because I understand what I'm saying you believe it's arrogance, isn't that arrogance on your part.

GC

(November 21, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Humans have a pretty good ability to normalize whatever they're being put through, as long as it doesn't kill them.

Since we can't really know what an eternal mind without a body would be like, it's all hypothetical. Supposedly we can feel pain, despite some people having conditions where they can't feel pain but supposedly still have a soul attached. Maybe I could still feel pain, and I won't eventually get used to being on fire after hundreds or thousands of years, and I won't be mentally reduced to a shell where I just lay where I'm at in a state of comatose shock.

You got this part wrong, even the lost will be resurrected with a body, so yes the physical pain will be real, but that's secondary to the mental and spiritual anguish suffered in hell.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Losty Wrote: "Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.
No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life." ~GC

There's no reasoning with you because you are completely irrational. Isn't arrogance a sin? Why are you sinning up this thread with such arrogance as presuming to know what hell is and what it's like?

And others here say I'm the one who judges others, because I understand what I'm saying you believe it's arrogance, isn't that arrogance on your part.

GC

GC you need to understand this just because a book has it written down doesn't mean its okay to speak it out loud or type it in. So the bible says that hell is a place of fire brimstone and torture for eternity, you you skew it out and say no its not you live without god in the dark. so is hell a place of fire or a place of nothing? or a place of both without the torture.