(November 21, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Chad32 Wrote: In the bible, Yahweh sometimes has a habit of "giving people over to sin", so maybe that's really what hell is. Putting them in a place away from heaven, and giving them over to sin. Which really wouldn't be bad at all.

I'm very there.

(November 21, 2014 at 5:25 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'm very there.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

The sinners are much more fun.

Only the good die young

Interesting enaugh, fundamentalist believers see Heaven just as a place where one can worship God for eternity. With that in mind, you don't really need Hell. Just send everyone to Heaven: zealots are going to feel good while everyone else is going to plunge into eternal insanity.

(November 21, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Smaug Wrote: zealots are going to feel good while everyone else is going to plunge into eternal insanity.

Or, as they say, boring as hell.

(November 21, 2014 at 6:01 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 21, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Smaug Wrote: zealots are going to feel good while everyone else is going to plunge into eternal insanity.

Or, as they say, boring as hell.

heavenly harp music on the same repeating track.
the issue of hell is gone and dead. ouch Christians are going to hate this guy in the video.

(November 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: So your in hell for one reason or another.
what would you do there?

My whole thing would be so this is it just fire flames eternal torture.
This in reality might be heaven for a masochist. But wouldn't
after awhile it would be the complete norm for a person oh
hey time to get burned alive again or well oh hey i'm getting
stabbed with a pitch fork again. While people in heaven
are the exact same opposite and its like oh hey its that 1
same harp song and it just keeps repeating. eventually
insanity would set in for people in heaven and in hell
if that is a routine schedule.

You are ignoring the obvious -

What is the advantage of a male human soul reaching heaven to spend the all eternity stroking a male gods ego? AS far as I have seen - an eternal homosexual relationship with a god.

(November 21, 2014 at 8:22 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(November 20, 2014 at 10:09 pm)dyresand Wrote: So your in hell for one reason or another.
what would you do there?

My whole thing would be so this is it just fire flames eternal torture.
This in reality might be heaven for a masochist. But wouldn't
after awhile it would be the complete norm for a person oh
hey time to get burned alive again or well oh hey i'm getting
stabbed with a pitch fork again. While people in heaven
are the exact same opposite and its like oh hey its that 1
same harp song and it just keeps repeating. eventually
insanity would set in for people in heaven and in hell
if that is a routine schedule.

You are ignoring the obvious -

What is the advantage of a male human soul reaching heaven to spend the all eternity stroking a male gods ego? AS far as I have seen - an eternal homosexual relationship with a god.

There is no advantage of going to heaven you are forced to always be happy you have to praise god and kiss his ass. you give up your free will so say good bye to that. you have 1 repeating harp song over and over. if you hated some person or really disliked them chances are you will meet them in heaven. meeting people in heaven such as if you meet someone there who sexually or verbally abused you that one person on the off chance will be happier but the person who had said actions done against them wouldn't.

(November 21, 2014 at 3:54 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm)Losty Wrote: It's not a lake of fire?
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Matthew 25:41 - Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Umm...the reasonable thought that people cannot survive for eternity after they're already dead.

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Tell us what would it be like if you were eternally separated from God, can a fallible mind even conceive such a thing. God's love rains down on everyone even though they do not see it.

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: You actually know what it's like to be separated from God.
Hell is never referred to as torture except by those who see themselves qualified to be there. But your description of hell is much closer to what it will be like, except that the struggling and screaming will never end, the mind will be eternally lasting.

GC

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Quote:I've been living separate from god for some time now. I find it quite refreshing.

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No you haven't just because you fail to recognize Him doesn't mean He's not present in your life.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:43 pm)Vosur Wrote: You mean like the Catholic Church in Germany during the Middle Ages? You know, the ones who used scaremongering tactics to convince people to buy so called "Ablassbriefe" in order to save themselves from hellfire?

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They abused the powers they had, just because they did something wrong doesn't mean it's true.

GC

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(November 21, 2014 at 3:42 pm)dyresand Wrote: Lucifer refused to bow to god he knew how god really is.
Lucifer would only punish those who would really need it so in hell people would get what came to them if the did some horrible things when they were alive. he wouldn't torture those who did god without good reason. sure blaspheme god pretty much Lucifer is your best friend after that. you just cant say Lucifer is all evil. Lucifer was a angel he lived with god he gotten free will and god said bow to me and his first actions pretty much he didn't do what he was commanded to do. you know why he knows how god really is and what type of being god really is. so enjoy time in heaven im going to were all the cool people are going to be and the fun.

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Sources for this post please.

GC

Three unsupported assertions and a complete misrepresentation of the question asked followed by a request for evidence. Fucking priceless.

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(November 21, 2014 at 8:35 pm)dyresand Wrote: There is no advantage of going to heaven you are forced to always be happy you have to praise god and kiss his ass. you give up your free will so say good bye to that. you have 1 repeating harp song over and over. if you hated some person or really disliked them chances are you will meet them in heaven. meeting people in heaven such as if you meet someone there who sexually or verbally abused you that one person on the off chance will be happier but the person who had said actions done against them wouldn't.

The whole christer pyramid scheme relies on the concept of "free will." Lucifer's "free will" got him booted from Heaven, Adam and Eve's "free will" got them booted from the garden and our "free will" is what makes us horrible sinners. Yet the christers try to sell the idea that the new heaven and the new earth will somehow be different even though all who are there will still have "free will."

If there is "free will" in the alleged afterlife, someone, sometime (we're talking about eternity after all) will fuck it up, get booted and start the whole fucking cycle over again. Christer "logic" only works up to a point (and not a very distant point at all) before it come crashing down. The willfully ignorant continue to ignore it's failings.