(December 2, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Of course he does. But "barren" in the same sentence as "the truth value of the [Christian] belief" is the closest to correct he has come yet.

Maybe his mind is desperately trying to break free.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:38 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Genetic fallacy...explaining how a person was BROUGHT to belief system has no barren on the truth value of the belief itself.

He never intimated that it did, you fool. All he said was that indoctrination, as a method of bringing people into a certain belief, leaves them preferring stunted, simplistic answers delivered in a tone of authority, especially if that belief is supposed to govern much of a person's life.

Quote:I once said "keep the fallacies coming"...and I see you people do not disappoint.

You know what else is a fallacy? The strawman.

Maybe consider, you know, actually responding to what people say in future, instead of what you imagine them to say? All the fallacies you spot seem to be coming from the bits you imagine, after all.

(December 2, 2014 at 6:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote: But still, it would be nice to carry on with the conversation...

Would be nice to move on to part two. I'm eager to weather the upcoming bullshit Tsunami.

The ironic thing is that if h-m was born in Cairo he'd be strapping bombs to his chest and shouting allah ahkbar. He's the type.

Probably hates the fact that he was born xtian 3-4 centuries too late.

(December 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm)robvalue Wrote: Indoctrination is a sad thing to behold. Adults forever stuck in the mindset of a child who needs to be constantly told what to do by an authority figure. Needing things to be very simple and black and white to avoid having to think very hard about reality, or how to be a decent person.

I once had a conservative Christian Republican friend. Some of his more disturbing moments was where he seemed to earnestly yearn for a fascist dictatorship. His favorite strong-man was Rudy Giuliani. It wouldn't have shocked me if I'd discovered a shrine to Rudy Giuliani in his apartment. Other people like this guy will pick other strong man types but the theme on which these variations play is the same.

This mind set really seems to want to find some strong man type to rally around, someone they're convinced will lead them to glory if they just salute and do and say what they're told. They also need a devil as well, a "Goldstein" (1984 reference) to direct intense and irrational hate (or several of them), some who's always to blame for all their problems. Finally, they seem to need a group of demonized people they can always feel superior to, no matter how low on the totem pole they may be.

He's not alone, I'm sad to say. There are more people like him in America than most of us would like to admit. I'd estimate they represent a solid third of the voting bloc, if not frighteningly close to half.

Quote:His favorite strong-man was Rudy Giuliani.

If Giuliani dressed better and got rid of the glasses he could be a dead ringer.

(December 2, 2014 at 5:38 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:

(December 2, 2014 at 4:01 pm)robvalue Wrote: Indoctrination is a sad thing to behold. Adults forever stuck in the mindset of a child who needs to be constantly told what to do by an authority figure. Needing things to be very simple and black and white to avoid having to think very hard about reality, or how to be a decent person.

Genetic fallacy...explaining how a person was BROUGHT to belief system has no barren on the truth value of the belief itself.

I once said "keep the fallacies coming"...and I see you people do not disappoint.

Apparently, you don't know what the genetic fallacy is. Nobody is arguing that your claims are false because of indoctrination; merely that indoctrination typically results in, and universally explains, harebrained idiots such as yourself who refuse to admit, after their claims are refuted and counterarguments are offered, that beneath the veneer of confidence lie empty concepts and hollow delusion.

(December 2, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Apparently, you don't know what the genetic fallacy is.

Excuse me but I'll have you know that as Christians our grasp of what logical fallacies are is every bit as equal to our grasp of the scientific method.

you see indoctrination works reel them in as a child keep them as a child.
Perfected by Hitler then stolen and used on many.