(December 3, 2014 at 2:24 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 2:11 am)Drich Wrote: Hopefully christianity will decline to the point that everyone who could possibly be save does get save, thus signifying that the "cup of man's iniquity runs over." Thus enraging God to the point where He says: "Enough!" Calls for the scroll containing the seven seals, and starts working His way through them, sometime in our life time, just so I can post "I told you a-holes so!"


But, seriously. The Church is the ONLY thing standing between most of you and the wrath of God... So do be too quick to celebrate its end.

I would tell you to wake up.

Even in the matrix humanity is compared to a virus. "It infects an area consuming all of the resources, in a given host and eventually the host will die.' When the host dies so goes humanity.

So the end is comming whether by God or by human consumption.

What a delightful worldview Drich, I'm sure its less of a drag when you believe you're going to heaven afterwards, so why bother trying to fix shit now?

(December 3, 2014 at 9:38 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 8:53 am)Cato Wrote: You should really try to understand that the vast majority of us overcame our fear of the boogeyman before reaching puberty.

Cato you have to understand the stupidity and ignorance of bronze age thinking still lingers in the minds of people who believe the bible to be true. same goes with young earth creationists and flat earth believers. It is a mind set so badly ingrained on people its not even funny as the people who are doing it just need t stop. The religious need to be re-educated.

I asked you a multi point question and you can't even put together a coherent statement, but when it comes to personally insluting someone you become an expert?

Something's fishy here...

Where did you copy/cut and paste your insult from? You know it plagiarism to copy someone else's work and not leave a source right?

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(December 3, 2014 at 10:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What a delightful worldview Drich, I'm sure its less of a drag when you believe you're going to heaven afterwards, so why bother trying to fix shit now?

Why 'fix' the earth now is that your question?

We shouldn't 'fix it.'

We were set here and tasked with the mission to tame and subdue this world. We are activly doing that as far as I understand the term.

This world is not meant to last forever. We are told after the final judgement their will be a new heaven and a new earth, and the old heaven and earth will pass away.

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(December 3, 2014 at 9:55 am)Cato Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 9:38 am)dyresand Wrote: Cato you have to understand the stupidity and ignorance of bronze age thinking still lingers in the minds of people who believe the bible to be true. same goes with young earth creationists and flat earth believers. It is a mind set so badly ingrained on people its not even funny as the people who are doing it just need t stop. The religious need to be re-educated.

I used to think this way; however, education alone won't solve the problem. Jerry Coyne recently posted his thoughts on the matter:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...the-facts/

Coyne sites surveys that indicate that a third of Americans don't believe that they can simultaneously believe in God and evolution. This figure hasn't changed substantially in over 30 years. Coyne's conclusion:

Quote:Of course I favor telling Americans what evolution is and giving them the evidence for it. I do it all the time as I continue to lecture and talk on the radio about the evidence for evolution. But I’m also pretty sure that so long as the U.S. is the world’s most religious First World nation, the acceptance of our message will be blocked by faith.

In my orgins thread I have proven coyne wrong.

(December 3, 2014 at 10:28 am)Drich Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 9:38 am)dyresand Wrote: Cato you have to understand the stupidity and ignorance of bronze age thinking still lingers in the minds of people who believe the bible to be true. same goes with young earth creationists and flat earth believers. It is a mind set so badly ingrained on people its not even funny as the people who are doing it just need t stop. The religious need to be re-educated.

I asked you a multi point question and you can't even put together a coherent statement, but when it comes to personally insluting someone you become an expert?

Something's fishy here...

Where did you copy/cut and paste your insult from? You know it plagiarism to copy someone else's work and not leave a source right?

So insult my intelligence i don't really care. Its not insults its a rational string of words used to describe most of theists in the U.S. and other areas who believe blindly in Christianity so If i were to call you a idiot by all means i would have put your user name in there. So i copied and pasted an insult no i haven't if i use something or copied and pasted it i would put the source at the bottom of it. When it comes to the bible however there is many articles and explanations as to why the bible plagiarized off of others cultures and gods. Horus and other deities like him were the reason why jesus was in the bible. The epic of gligamesh the reason why there is a flood myth in the bible. I can keep going on and on but i wont bother good day sir have a wonderful existence and happy after life if there is one. I for on am sorry if i have offended you Dirch, also many people do not share the same outlook when it comes to the end.
i for one believe the world isn't going to end by supernatural means but in reality our existence on earth can be short lived as there is dangerous stuff in space that can kill us. What i mean by this a meteor or some type of anomaly that could damage and or mess up electronic equipment and we would pretty much start dying off from that.

(December 3, 2014 at 9:55 am)Cato Wrote: I used to think this way; however, education alone won't solve the problem. Jerry Coyne recently posted his thoughts on the matter:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...the-facts/

Coyne sites surveys that indicate that a third of Americans don't believe that they can simultaneously believe in God and evolution. This figure hasn't changed substantially in over 30 years. Coyne's conclusion:

Quote:Of course I favor telling Americans what evolution is and giving them the evidence for it. I do it all the time as I continue to lecture and talk on the radio about the evidence for evolution. But I’m also pretty sure that so long as the U.S. is the world’s most religious First World nation, the acceptance of our message will be blocked by faith.

I think there is a subtle issue that most people miss. When the survey asks "do you believe it is possible or not possible to believe in both God and evolution", some Christians who as a practical matter do believe in evolution will answer "no". Most Christians that I know (including myself when I used to be a Christian) believe in a universe that is billions of years old, dinosaurs, etc. They might answer "no" to evolution, because they interpret evolution to be saying that God wasn't involved at all.

Another subtle issue is cognitive dissonance. People will answer the survey according to their denomination's dogma - even though that person's behavior demonstrates disbelief in that dogma.

Like in my case, I sometimes believe there is something like God that is guiding my life. Maybe I am God and forgot about it. Maybe reality is a dream. I agree that God isn't a necessary ingredient in evolution, but sometimes I wonder if God is still influencing events somehow.

I hope I don't ruin my reputation here by admitting my vacillating thoughts. I think it's unfair to assume all those people who answered "no" are completely ignorant. It's just cognitive dissonance at work IMO.

future of the US christers ??

more schisms

more brazen cherry picking of scriptures because most of them feel they know better than Jesus

more big money megachurch bull shit

more and more twisted apologetics

a degree of unease (hopefully more) when there is no demonstrable harm to the time line of openly gay service persons in the military or from gay marriage

more exposure of malfeasance (financial, sexual and moral) in churches

(December 3, 2014 at 10:28 am)Drich Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 10:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What a delightful worldview Drich, I'm sure its less of a drag when you believe you're going to heaven afterwards, so why bother trying to fix shit now?

Why 'fix' the earth now is that your question?

We shouldn't 'fix it.'

We were set here and tasked with the mission to tame and subdue this world. We are activly doing that as far as I understand the term.

This world is not meant to last forever. We are told after the final judgement their will be a new heaven and a new earth, and the old heaven and earth will pass away.

What a wonderful avoidance of any responsibility to preserving the world for future generations. Goddamn that's distressing.

"we're supposed to exhaust and trample the world cuz that's what Gawd wants us to do, don't worry he'll give us a new one when the rapture comes"

What a crock of shit.

The nutcases will die out, and those replacing them will be less and less religious until eventually it fizzles out. My prediction. Time span? Maybe 60-80 years.

(December 3, 2014 at 10:40 am)dyresand Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 10:28 am)Drich Wrote: I asked you a multi point question and you can't even put together a coherent statement, but when it comes to personally insluting someone you become an expert?

Something's fishy here...

Where did you copy/cut and paste your insult from? You know it plagiarism to copy someone else's work and not leave a source right?

So insult my intelligence i don't really care. Its not insults its a ration string of words used to describe most of theists in the U.S. and other areas who believe blindly in Christianity so If i were to call you a idiot by all means i would have put your user name in there. So i copied and pasted an insult no i haven't if i use something or copied and pasted it i would put the source at the bottom of it. When it comes to the bible however there is many articles and explanations as to why the bible plagiarized off of others cultures and gods. Horus and other deities like him were the reason why jesus was in the bible. The epic of gligamesh the reason why there is a flood myth in the bible. I can keep going on and on but i wont bother good day sir have a wonderful existence and happy after life if there is one.

It wasn't so much an insult but an observation describing the two polar opposite type of posts you can appearently produce. It seems you have practiced or given great thought to your insults and not so much to... Everything else.

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(December 3, 2014 at 10:48 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(December 3, 2014 at 10:28 am)Drich Wrote: Why 'fix' the earth now is that your question?

We shouldn't 'fix it.'

We were set here and tasked with the mission to tame and subdue this world. We are activly doing that as far as I understand the term.

This world is not meant to last forever. We are told after the final judgement their will be a new heaven and a new earth, and the old heaven and earth will pass away.

What a wonderful avoidance of any responsibility to preserving the world for future generations. Goddamn that's distressing.

"we're supposed to exhaust and trample the world cuz that's what Gawd wants us to do, don't worry he'll give us a new one when the rapture comes"

What a crock of shit.

Yes!
And whether you agree with me or not, unless you unplug from the grid completely shun all mod cons, and adapt yourself to only eat naturally occouring vegetation that your region has in abundance, you are just a F & F hypocrite.

Because no matter what color we see in our mod cons they are not naturally occouring and as such require to be apart of a manufacturing process. The same manufacturing process that is stripping this planet of all its resources. Even simple farming of our perfered foods strips the soil of its natural resources, keeping naturally occouring plant life the material it needs to grow. That is why we use fertilizers.

So again either you have to get use to eating grass and tree bark, or accept that you not only love the command God gave us to subdue this world, that you don't know how to live any other way.

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(December 3, 2014 at 10:50 am)robvalue Wrote: The nutcases will die out, and those replacing them will be less and less religious until eventually it fizzles out. My prediction. Time span? Maybe 60-80 years.

The 'great' atheist philosopher Voltaire said the same thing a couple hundred years ago.. "Christianity will be a dead 100 years after my death."


We print and distribute bibles out of his house.

The trend seems to slowly be towards sanity. I also happen to think in the very near future the nones will grow very quickly asore and more come out and stop pretending to religion. As such I am cautiously optimistic.