Future of Christianity in US

[Drich]

The problem with your analogy is the word, or rather your understanding of the word "Trashing." We were told to subdue or to conquor this world. Meaning we have been commanded to tame the wild things, to destroy our predators to harness the forces He put into place in this world and have them work for us.

For God and his people all these things are a good things.

For hippies and people who hate God they have no eternity to look forward to, no 'New Heaven/New Earth to live in. This is all they have. So, as other poorer nations enter into the industrial age, resources become spread too thin. So inorder to perserve their hippy way of life, a segement of the self righteous calls the rest of the population to set a better example so that these population rich resource poor nations do not consume everything in sight as 'we' did through our industrial age. If they did their would not be enough resources to go around.

Which again is a problem if this world in your only home.

Dirch look at it this way imagine your building something and its a great wonder and you want people to like it and take care of it. you come back its trashy its ruined no one is really taking care of it and those who are doing a okay job at it. trashing the earth and leaving it trashed is a bad thing because if god did exist he would be angry that so much is going on and that humanity just really dominated the earth pretty much pushing nature back and deforesting doesn't help we need trees and plants to live oxygen doesn't make itself. I care about the environment but who knows when i'm gone i wan't some to enjoy living and breathing clean air.

Seriously?

Read what you responded to again!

My point was to say one man's Trashing up the World, Is another man's treasure!

Do you understand? Just because you can see trash, does not mean God see trash.

[JonDarbyXIII]

The problem with your analogy is the word, or rather your understanding of the word "Trashing." We were told to subdue or to conquor this world. Meaning we have been commanded to tame the wild things, to destroy our predators to harness the forces He put into place in this world and have them work for us....For hippies and people who hate God they have no eternity to look forward to, no 'New Heaven/New Earth to live in. This is all they have.

Subduing something and taking care of it are not mutually exclusive acts. If you really believe that God created everything--and then declared it 'good'--then it seems he would like for you--as his ambassador--to care about perpetuating his creation. You believe that God will come back someday, but there is no way for you to know when it will happen. It has already taken 2,000+ years. If, as Christians believe, God has his own timetable, couldn't he easily wait another 2,000 years? However, if the earth doesn't last that long, you are effectively inhibiting God's plan by hastening your little death-apalooza. Shouldn't you be doing everything you can to take care of the earth so that it lasts the next 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years while Christians are still waiting?

[FatAndFaithless]

That might be a reasonable point to some, JonDarby, but a significant portion of Christians (mostly American, of course) honestly believe the rapture is going to come in their own lifetime or generation. Trying to reason them out of that belief is like trying to show Donald Trump that certain things are more important than money.

[Drich]

So are we seeing the death throes of Christian dominance? I don't know. I think so. I hope so.

As with any believe, education is it's biggest enemy. Why do you think there's a text book war going on right now in certain southern states? They're scared their children might actually learn something and broaden their horizon.

with the right state sponcered 'Education' anything is possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjpieIjFVSY

[FatAndFaithless]

Godwin again? Why do theists always jump straight to Hitler to describe something they don't approve of...?

[JonDarbyXIII]

My point was to say one man's Trashing up the World, Is another man's treasure!

Do you understand? Just because you can see trash, does not mean God see trash.

How about 'one man's sin is another man's salvation. Just because you see sin, does not mean God sees sin

If you're going to just make up random stuff for which there is no basis, all discourse becomes moot.

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That might be a reasonable point to some, JonDarby, but a significant portion of Christians (mostly American, of course) honestly believe the rapture is going to come in their own lifetime or generation. Trying to reason them out of that belief is like trying to show Donald Trump that certain things are more important than money.

Agreed, but for that matter, the Bible says that it would happen within the lifetime of Jesus' disciples. [tick tock]

[abaris]

Godwin again? Why do theists always jump straight to Hitler to describe something they don't approve of...?

Because he was a christian. Kindred spirits...

Oh yes, and one church even put up one of his quotes to advertise family values.

[Drich]

Subduing something and taking care of it are not mutually exclusive acts.

Indeed. The only difference is perspective. Which is my point. one man's trashing the world is another man's caring for the world.

If you really believe that God created everything--and then declared it 'good'--then it seems he would like for you--as his ambassador--to care about perpetuating his creation.

Again, This world is slated to be destroyed with fire, By God. Why would I place any value in something as trivial as fire wood outside of what it is indended to be used for? Fire wood is purposed to be burned for warmth/cooking, therefore why would I protect the fire wood from being burned in the fire place for that very purpose?

You believe that God will come back someday, but there is no way for you to know when it will happen. It has already taken 2,000+ years.

Again As to what day, I have no idea. But I can speak to the condition and heart of man as these are sited as the trigger for the end of man, and this world.

If, as Christians believe, God has his own timetable, couldn't he easily wait another 2,000 years? However, if the earth doesn't last that long, you are effectively inhibiting God's plan by hastening your little death-apalooza. Shouldn't you be doing everything you can to take care of the earth so that it lasts the next 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years while Christians are still waiting?

Two things if that many Christians are still waiting, the 10 times that are being saved from Hell.

Second the end of our natural resources will build to the type of war described as the final battle in the Book of Revelation. Who's to say my 8 miles to the gallon 7.5 liter big block V-8 is not putting us right on time for that day described in the book of Revelation?

Again I only want to see and hear the final trumpet sound (So I can maybe post I told you so) I didn't say I would be able to do it. Bottom line if God comes today I'm ready to go, or if He comes a million bazillion years from now I will be just as ready.

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Godwin again? Why do theists always jump straight to Hitler to describe something they don't approve of...?

Because even atheist can not argue that level of State educated evil.

[FatAndFaithless]

Godwin again? Why do theists always jump straight to Hitler to describe something they don't approve of...?

Because even atheist can not argue that level of State educated evil.

No shit, Drips. But comparing any sort of State function to Hitler is something beneath even the most feverish paranoid fanatics. It's even beneath you, so don't bother trying to make that false equivalence.

[Natachan]

Omg that billboard is hilarious. Love it!

Is it a POE? Or for reals?