Praise the Holy Bird Droppings. I'm convinced.

Even the Catholic Church doesn't claim the 'blood event' is a miracle.
But they do seem to like to milk it for it's awe inspiring power. Plus, they don't allow 3rd party testing of the contents of the vials. So right there that should send up red flags.

Since you mentioned milk. There's even a church milking the holy mother. Kind of a lactation fetish actually.

Here's a list to some of the rather obscure relics of the Roman Catholic church.

https://herodotuswept.wordpress.com/2008...east-milk/

OK....
Mary squirting milk at a kneeling monk?
Was I looking at Catholic imagery or German porn?

And, digging deeper into 'incorruptible saints'..... yeah, no.
If incorruptible means that your skin, while heavily decayed, is still all attached, then sure, I'll bite.

Holy Shit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/no...esus-tears

Quote:Jesus wept … oh, it's bad plumbing. Indian rationalist targets 'miracles'

Quote:When water started trickling down a statue of Jesus Christ at a Catholic church in Mumbai earlier this year, locals were quick to declare a miracle. Some began collecting the holy water and the Church of Our Lady of Velankanni began to promote it as a site of pilgrimage.

So when Sanal Edamaruku arrived and established that this was not holy water so much as holey plumbing, the backlash was severe. The renowned rationalist was accused of blasphemy, charged with offences that carry a three-year prison sentence and eventually, after receiving death threats, had to seek exile in Finland.

In the old days when the church could tie doubters to a stake and fry them they tended to get away with this shit a lot more.

(December 6, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: 5. Miracle. --- Repeated clinical tests, minimum.

What we tend to get? Credulous eyewitnesses to things a magician might do on stage usually told third hand four centuries ago.

If a miracle becomes repeatable it ceases to be a miracle but rather an artifact of nature.

If everytime Benny Hinn said "alleluia" an amputee grew a new limb, that wouldn't be a miracle. It would simply be the way the world works. We'd write some law to describe that observation.....maybe call it "The law of conservation of limbs" or something.

(December 7, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: If everytime Benny Hinn said "alleluia" an amputee grew a new limb, that wouldn't be a miracle.

Once would be enough.

(December 7, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: If a miracle becomes repeatable it ceases to be a miracle but rather an artifact of nature.

Then it likely wasn't a miracle at all.

(December 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 7, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: If everytime Benny Hinn said "alleluia" an amputee grew a new limb, that wouldn't be a miracle.

Once would be enough.

Maybe it did happen once. Here is one documented case of a restored limb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda

(December 7, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(December 6, 2014 at 11:10 pm)Jenny A Wrote: 5. Miracle. --- Repeated clinical tests, minimum.

What we tend to get? Credulous eyewitnesses to things a magician might do on stage usually told third hand four centuries ago.

If a miracle becomes repeatable it ceases to be a miracle but rather an artifact of nature.

If everytime Benny Hinn said "alleluia" an amputee grew a new limb, that wouldn't be a miracle. It would simply be the way the world works. We'd write some law to describe that observation.....maybe call it "The law of conservation of limbs" or something.

I suppose, unless it only worked for believers who said alleluia, or even only particular believers who said alleluia. And that is the point. Miracles are by definition extraordinary events and so accepting a tale of one without considerably better proof than we ordinarily rely is a good idea.

This isn't just a requirement for miracles. The scientific community heard much about the duck-billed platypus, before allowing it's existence, and given the oddity of the animal in comparison to others, rightly so.