(December 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In the case of entangled particles, information appears to travel instantaneously (ie not faster than light), no matter how far apart the particles may be. So yeah, no physical laws are broken, even though physicists don't understand yet what's going on.

I think the point is it isn't a miracle just something we don't understand yet.

Hell, if a "miracle" is just something we don't understand, then I guess Cinnamon Toast Crunch is a miracle because I just can't see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

(December 9, 2014 at 3:56 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Hell, if a "miracle" is just something we don't understand, then I guess Cinnamon Toast Crunch is a miracle because I just can't see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

Don't even know what it is. So it's certainly a miracle for me.

(December 9, 2014 at 3:57 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 9, 2014 at 3:56 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Hell, if a "miracle" is just something we don't understand, then I guess Cinnamon Toast Crunch is a miracle because I just can't see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

Don't even know what it is. So it's certainly a miracle for me.

Unbelievably sugary cereal here in the US, and the tagline is something like "adults just can't see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch, tee hee."

They're right. That shit is disgusting and I dunno how the little fuckers eat it.

It's a miracle.

(December 6, 2014 at 11:01 pm)beatlesman Wrote: I was raised Catholic, but the only thing that makes me think that it might be true are the miracles. I would like to dispel that doubt. I have researched them, and Catholics have the strongest case for miracles of any religion. They have thousands of saints, and each saint can be tied to numerous miracles before and after death. Here is more information:

http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-a...-miracles/

http://www.miraclesofthechurch.com/

There are thousands more than those listed. Other religions don't have this many or this level of validity. What am I missing?

@OP ill say this to save you the time and looking through piles of bullshit and give you a honest answer.

They could not exist as they would violate the laws of nature. that being said if one did happen it could be explained and through observation of so called miracles they are really just people who are lucky because the odds are in their favor. I hope clears it up and if there was miracles being performed on a regular basis to were everyone would have one i guess then it would be common knowledge. So miracles for us is just coincidence and pretty much statistics on our side.

(December 9, 2014 at 2:29 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(December 9, 2014 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: If we are living in a simulation, it is very likely that the speed of light for the beings who are running the simulation is much faster than 186,000 miles per second. And if you want to claim that I am wrong....show your work. Show how us you know the permittivity and permeability of the external reality in which our universe exists. Simulated permittivity and permeability do not have to be the same as the real permittivity and permeability of free space.

Well, You have made a claim. Can you back it Up? My 'claim" is that the speed of light is defined and information cannot be sent any faster. That can be referenced.

Let ε0 = 8.854 187 817... x 10−12
Let µ0 = 4π×10−7 H⋅m−1



In the above equation change either ε0 or μ0 and the speed of light will be different.

(December 9, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Heywood Wrote: In the above equation change either ε0 or μ0 and the speed of light will be different.

So if I change G our gravity will be different.

Let it be so. Tell all the text books we have decided to change the universal constants. I know Texas will jump on that.

Woodie's attempts to derail the thread aside, most catholic miracle bullshit claims have nothing to do with the speed of light. Claiming to have prayed to some jackoff and been rewarded with a miracle "cure" seems to be the biggie.

(December 9, 2014 at 7:37 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(December 9, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Heywood Wrote: In the above equation change either ε0 or μ0 and the speed of light will be different.

So if I change G our gravity will be different.

Let it be so. Tell all the text books we have decided to change the universal constants. I know Texas will jump on that.

These constants are only universal to the space they apply. In a different space the value of these constants may be different. You basically claimed that these constants are universal to all spaces and there is no reason whatsoever to believe your claim to be true.

(December 9, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(December 9, 2014 at 7:37 pm)IATIA Wrote:



So if I change G our gravity will be different.

Let it be so. Tell all the text books we have decided to change the universal constants. I know Texas will jump on that.

These constants are only universal to the space they apply. In a different space the value of these constants may be different. You basically claimed that these constants are universal to all spaces and there is no reason whatsoever to believe your claim to be true.

"universal to the space they apply" is an oxymoron. I can't make headsor tails what that means. What different space?