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RE: Catholic miracles
December 8, 2014 at 11:41 pm
(December 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Heywood Wrote: sending information from a random number generator outside the reality into the reality telling an atom to decay is not governed by the permittivity and permeability of the free space within the simulated reality. The speed at which that information propagates can be and probably is much faster then our speed of light.
Non local variables are going to take on a lot of the properties of entangled particles....but they do not have to be entangled particles. Wrong!
Information still cannot exceed the speed of light, regardless that it is traveling from a non-local reality to a sub reality. The laws of physics still apply.
Entanglement - no information
Information - speed of light
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm
In the case of entangled particles, information appears to travel instantaneously (ie not faster than light), no matter how far apart the particles may be. So yeah, no physical laws are broken, even though physicists don't understand yet what's going on.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 1:01 am
It is not useful or predictable information.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 1:35 am
Probably not. The point I was addressing was the exchange of information, not so much its nature. The fact that any change in the state of one particle causes an instant reaction in the other, regardless of distance. Perhaps 'information' is the wrong word, however something strange is going on.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 3:55 am
But, but...
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 11:39 am
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(December 8, 2014 at 11:41 pm)IATIA Wrote: (December 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Heywood Wrote: sending information from a random number generator outside the reality into the reality telling an atom to decay is not governed by the permittivity and permeability of the free space within the simulated reality. The speed at which that information propagates can be and probably is much faster then our speed of light.
Non local variables are going to take on a lot of the properties of entangled particles....but they do not have to be entangled particles. Wrong!
Information still cannot exceed the speed of light, regardless that it is traveling from a non-local reality to a sub reality. The laws of physics still apply.
Entanglement - no information
Information - speed of light
Sorry bro....you are wrong.
The simulated space has its own permittivity and permeability which is going to determine the maximum speed information can propagate through the simulation. The platform on which the simulation runs is going to be subject to the permittivity and permeability of the space in which it resides.
Suppose you made a simulation. The speed of light in the space which holds the platform would be 186,000 miles per second. The speed of light within the simulation could not exceed that, but would likely be much lower than 186,000 miles per second.
If we are living in a simulation, it is very likely that the speed of light for the beings who are running the simulation is much faster than 186,000 miles per second. And if you want to claim that I am wrong....show your work. Show how us you know the permittivity and permeability of the external reality in which our universe exists. Simulated permittivity and permeability do not have to be the same as the real permittivity and permeability of free space.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 11:52 am
(December 6, 2014 at 11:01 pm)beatlesman Wrote: I was raised Catholic, but the only thing that makes me think that it might be true are the miracles. I would like to dispel that doubt. I have researched them, and Catholics have the strongest case for miracles of any religion. They have thousands of saints, and each saint can be tied to numerous miracles before and after death. Here is more information:
http://listverse.com/2008/07/14/top-10-a...-miracles/
http://www.miraclesofthechurch.com/
There are thousands more than those listed. Other religions don't have this many or this level of validity. What am I missing?
Were you present at any of them?
I'm going to guess you were not.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 11:54 am
(December 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In the case of entangled particles, information appears to travel instantaneously (ie not faster than light), no matter how far apart the particles may be. So yeah, no physical laws are broken, even though physicists don't understand yet what's going on.
You don't need non local variables to propagate information instantly for our universe to be completely deterministic. All that would be required is they operate faster than the speed of light.
Since these variables are non local, that is since they are external to our space, we can't really know how fast they propagate information.....if such variables exist at all.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 2:29 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 11:39 am)Heywood Wrote: If we are living in a simulation, it is very likely that the speed of light for the beings who are running the simulation is much faster than 186,000 miles per second. And if you want to claim that I am wrong....show your work. Show how us you know the permittivity and permeability of the external reality in which our universe exists. Simulated permittivity and permeability do not have to be the same as the real permittivity and permeability of free space. Well, You have made a claim. Can you back it Up? My 'claim" is that the speed of light is defined and information cannot be sent any faster. That can be referenced.
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RE: Catholic miracles
December 9, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(December 9, 2014 at 11:54 am)Heywood Wrote: (December 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Stimbo Wrote: In the case of entangled particles, information appears to travel instantaneously (ie not faster than light), no matter how far apart the particles may be. So yeah, no physical laws are broken, even though physicists don't understand yet what's going on.
You don't need non local variables to propagate information instantly for our universe to be completely deterministic. All that would be required is they operate faster than the speed of light.
Since these variables are non local, that is since they are external to our space, we can't really know how fast they propagate information.....if such variables exist at all.
No, the wave functions are deterministics. That doesn't mean their observatables are deterministic. Wave functions give a probabalistic answer, not exactly what would happen.
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