(December 15, 2014 at 10:23 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I have a few more threads to make, then I will be gone with the wind

More like flushed away with a fart.

Watching an apologist make an argument is like watching someone pick up a deck of cards, shuffle it, and then show me the cards one by one. I'm then expected to be surprised or impressed by this.

If you don't have anything new, don't bother.

And anyhow, if you can logically demonstrate God to be real, then faith is no longer required. And faith is what you claim to be important.

No one believes in any of this because of the terrible arguments they present. They're lame, after-the-fact rationalizations of an irrational foregone conclusion. Which is why they are always dishonest and unconvincing.

Also, do you notice how apologists often employ exactly the same arguments but then come to different conclusions? (Yahweh or Allah for example.)

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That's the problem though, Rob. They think they are new, and they're original and they're special for discovering/arguing them.

Yeah, I guess they must. That's mighty arrogant to think they have come up with something so brilliant that no one else has thought of it for 2000 years. Especially when it turns out to be something you could find on another post on the same forum.

It's also insulting to the intelligence that these arguments can be traced back ultimately to the same few sources. Craig, Bruggencate or Hovind, the usual suspects leave their insidious fingerprints everywhere.

Indeed. But I think the most insulting to the intelligence of all is, "Go read the bible." Especially when it's glaringly obvious that atheists have spent much more time reading it than Christians.

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And I'm sure if a Muslim told them to "Go read the Quran", they'd get right on it.

Have we had "you just don't want to hear the truth because you hate me / hate God / enjoy your sinful lifestyle too much!!!" yet? That's the absolute death rattle of these things.

(December 16, 2014 at 4:48 am)Stimbo Wrote: Have we had "you just don't want to hear the truth because you hate me / hate God / enjoy your sinful lifestyle too much!!!" yet? That's the absolute death rattle of these things.

or the old "you just don't want to believe."

Forgetting that many atheists, perhaps the majority in places like the US, were once theists. I guess they just weren't the right 'type' of theist/Xtian.

We're in the 21st century, but reading the thoughts of some of these guys you'd think we were still in the 12th.