Mindless selfrighteous name calling, all of you! Not one of you had nutted up and addressed the articals I left on modern day slavery and how the European markets are getting fat off the backs of sugar cane plantation slaves just like they did a few hundred years back! What the self righteous rarly see or understand is inorder to justify their own righteousness they must ignore evidence and history.. And those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it!

Why is it out of the 10 responses given since my last post not ONE has addressed the artical I left? Rather your efforts seem to center around the destruction of the messenger rather than the message. This may work in the broken intellects of philosophers who's primary focus is to debate faith, but here you have evidence and can not/have not even tried to dispute it to maintain your position. Rather you hold fast to your sickening self righteousness as if it were some prize to covet, and lash out at everything that challenges what it comfortable to you..

You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.

I wish you all long consumer based lives filled with many Black Friday door buster deals and all the organic out of season produce you can juice in 100 year span.

Quote:Once at work, the rhythm is infernal, because the number of canes that they cut will determine their wages.

Hey, asshole - and yes, Drippy, I mean you.

"Slaves" do not get "wages."

This is why anything you post is damned near worthless. You don't have the brains you were born with.

I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to beat people up either, just because you happen to be paying them a pittance. Or have sex with them at will.

So stop with this bullshit.

(December 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Once at work, the rhythm is infernal, because the number of canes that they cut will determine their wages.

Hey, asshole - and yes, Drippy, I mean you.

"Slaves" do not get "wages."

This is why anything you post is damned near worthless. You don't have the brains you were born with.

(December 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Mindless selfrighteous name calling, all of you! Not one of you had nutted up and addressed the articals I left on modern day slavery and how the European markets are getting fat off the backs of sugar cane plantation slaves just like they did a few hundred years back! What the self righteous rarly see or understand is inorder to justify their own righteousness they must ignore evidence and history.. And those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it!

Why is it out of the 10 responses given since my last post not ONE has addressed the artical I left? Rather your efforts seem to center around the destruction of the messenger rather than the message. This may work in the broken intellects of philosophers who's primary focus is to debate faith, but here you have evidence and can not/have not even tried to dispute it to maintain your position. Rather you hold fast to your sickening self righteousness as if it were some prize to covet, and lash out at everything that challenges what it comfortable to you..

You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.

I wish you all long consumer based lives filled with many Black Friday door buster deals and all the organic out of season produce you can juice in 100 year span.

So my understanding of your argument is that references to slavery in the Bible are intended to regulate the practice to prevent exploitation? (Sorry, I don't have the energy to read the links - at least right now.)

I wonder if the actual verses in the Bible support that position?

Yes, modern day near-nothing pay labour is terrible. Really bad. And should be addressed as much as possible.

It is not however slavery. It's amazing to me that someone can't or won't see the difference. Also, you're claiming slavery is actually fine, while slagging us off for "supporting" something that is better than slavery.

And is God so incompetent that he requires either of these for his perfect world to function? Or must we hear about an apple again?

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And of course, any actual slavery going on today is completely wrong. Obviously. I can't believe I even feel the need to have to type that.

I cannot make head nor tail of your argument. Firstly you just declare it's OK because your invisible friend says it's OK, but then you feel the need to justify it by pointing out that it exists in the modern world. How that second bit works I have no idea. Plenty of things exists in the modern world, doesn't make them right.

(December 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Mindless selfrighteous name calling, all of you!

I didn't name call, I addressed your responses. As for your links, you are referring to exploitation of workers, which can be likened to slavery. But you imply that we support slavery directly by purchasing goods that may have been produced this way. For one, I don't see how this amounts to direct support for slavery. As you know, the USA abolished legal slavery, and many of the companies that seek to use cheap labor abroad (such as Nike) have faced repeated backlash for it, even after they have announced efforts to improve the conditions of workers.

You claim that slavery is okay as long as it is regulated, yet the regulations in the Bible are sparse. They do make a few things clear: slaves are property, and they can literally be beaten within a day of their lives, so long as the owner doesn't knock an eye or some teeth out. If they marry while a slave, their wives and offspring are the property of their owner. If the slave is a girl sold by her father, she can be returned for a refund or handed over to her master's son as a wife, but she has fewer options for freedom than a man does.

If the best you can come up with is "you guys also support slavery when you buy bananas" then you must realize how bad that looks, when you are comparing that to the actions and attitudes of god, who could have easily abolished slavery with a wave of his hand. But no, he "regulates" it. In other words, god doesn't sound much better than those exploitative human governments that keep slaves or force the poor into slave-like conditions. But his hands are clean because he doesn't buy bananas in the USA, I guess.

(December 19, 2014 at 5:22 pm)robvalue Wrote: It is not however slavery. It's amazing to me that someone can't or won't see the difference. Also, you're claiming slavery is actually fine, while slagging us off for "supporting" something that is better than slavery.

It's willful ignorance at this point. Multiple people, including myself, have explained it in simple enough terms for anybody (almost...) to understand it.

(December 18, 2014 at 9:21 am)strawdawg Wrote: What's so offensive about Christianity the message or the messengers.
I think it's the messengers that make it look so bad. A number of them are money grabbers that should be selling used cars. A big time preacher from this area ( now deceased) admitted that while he was going to seminary he helped rob a bank. They present themselves as about the crowd when in actuality many are the scum of society that gravitate to those positions.

Is there an option for both? It's hard to seperate the two of them really. I actually think that New Testament Christianity was a moral improvement over most of the relgions (say belief in the Greek or Roman gods) of the day that it was made. However today it is outdated morally. Way outdated. Why didn't Jesus condemn slavery? Because he never pictured a world without it.

(December 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm)Drich Wrote: You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.

You cannot even distinguish between low-paying jobs and slavery. Why on Earth should anyone listen to you?

You're busy defending your approval of slavery, and trying to deflect the point because you know exactly how evil the slavery you're defending -- the slavery your god approves -- you know that slavery is wrong, but you don't want to address that point.

You need to stop being a cunt, and understand that your god approves of the evil that is slavery.