Whats so offensive about Christianity

[Strider]

Do you eat out of season food? Do you own a car of truck (Any make or model) Do you own any type of modern electronic devise.

Then you too my friend are a contributor to the modern slave trade, like it or not. why? Because again modern life/city life is not possible without slaves.

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Is it right for people to be paid dirt-low wages and toil all hours of the day in sweatshop conditions? Of course not. But it is no comparison to the slavery of old where a person was forced to work until they died, they were not paid, and they would be murdered if they disobeyed or fled.

Calling sweatshop conditions deplorable is one thing, but comparing it to slavery of old shows a lack of understanding of what true slavery entails. Accusing people of supporting slavery because we buy out-of-season fruit and electronics is asinine. Is it supporting poor working conditions? You betcha. Slavery? Nope.

If you want to see a modern example of actual slavery, take a look at human trafficking. People are sold for sex, labor, and to much more awful ends.

[dyresand]

Do you eat out of season food? Do you own a car of truck (Any make or model) Do you own any type of modern electronic devise.

Then you too my friend are a contributor to the modern slave trade, like it or not. why? Because again modern life/city life is not possible without slaves.

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Is it right for people to be paid dirt-low wages and toil all hours of the day in sweatshop conditions? Of course not. But it is no comparison to the slavery of old where a person was forced to work until they died, they were not paid, and they would be murdered if they disobeyed or fled.

Calling sweatshop conditions deplorable is one thing, but comparing it to slavery of old shows a lack of understanding of what true slavery entails. Accusing people of supporting slavery because we buy out-of-season fruit and electronics is asinine. Is it supporting poor working conditions? You betcha. Slavery? Nope.

If you want to see a modern example of actual slavery, take a look at human trafficking. People are sold for sex, labor, and to much more awful ends.

i would rather be in a sweatshop rather than being a fucking slave.
at least with my profession ill be free and get paid pretty shitty unlike the other is praise god he won't let me be free though nuh uh no way not until i am dead.

[Drich]

Is Drich saying that if I buy a product that was produced in a sweatshop in China, I have "directly" supported slavery? Because that is a very slippery slope. How many other things can we be said to support "directly" when we do things without knowing the background? Rape? Prostitution? Murder? Theft? Are any of those okay if they are properly regulated?

It's real simple. You shop for the cheapest product that will fill the need you have. or maybe you want an apple or tomato outside of their normal northern hemisphere growing season? Where does that come from? A south American plantation who operates much like the plantations of the 1800 in the southern states.

These people are working/slaving for one reason. To provide a consumer based soceity with the products it buys. There is no other reason for them being there. That's what makes you responsiable for their conditions.

Which brings us to the otherside of the coin. Without our soceity these people would not have jobs period, and would die/starve. We need them, they need us.

What the bible does is protect them from a pure exploitaive relationship, like what we have now, because people like you want to sit on their imagined high horse and pretend all Slavery is bad.

WAKE UP!

The World runs on and NEEDS slavery to one degree or another. It always has and will unless we can develop our robotics far enough along to do all the labor jobs for free.

[dyresand]

Is Drich saying that if I buy a product that was produced in a sweatshop in China, I have "directly" supported slavery? Because that is a very slippery slope. How many other things can we be said to support "directly" when we do things without knowing the background? Rape? Prostitution? Murder? Theft? Are any of those okay if they are properly regulated?

It's real simple. You shop for the cheapest product that will fill the need you have. or maybe you want an apple or tomato outside of their normal northern hemisphere growing season? Where does that come from? A south American plantation who operates much like the plantations of the 1800 in the southern states.

These people are working/slaving for one reason. To provide a consumer based soceity with the products it buys. There is no other reason for them being there. That's what makes you responsiable for their conditions.

Which brings us to the otherside of the coin. Without our soceity these people would not have jobs period, and would die/starve. We need them, they need us.

What the bible does is protect them from a pure exploitaive relationship, like what we have now, because people like you want to sit on their imagined high horse and pretend all Slavery is bad.

WAKE UP!

The World runs on and NEEDS slavery to one degree or another. It always has and will unless we can develop our robotics far enough along to do all the labor jobs for free.

Dirch Dirch DIRCH sweatshop people get paid and live a free life. People do sweatshop work to provide for their families if you did any research on it. Its a tough job market some people unfortunately need to get by any way possible. its not slavery it can't be even compared to slavery
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Slaves do not get a chance at life all they do is fucking work. They work day in day out. they do not get a chance to live a normal life. They die from abuse or they are killed trying to escape.

[Drich]

You're comparing apples and oranges here. Is it right for people to be paid dirt-low wages and toil all hours of the day in sweatshop conditions? Of course not. But it is no comparison to the slavery of old where a person was forced to work until they died, they were not paid, and they would be murdered if they disobeyed or fled.

What makes you think slaves were not compensated in anyway? All slave owners work with carrots and sticks. The Carrots were compensation above basic living conditions. and the stick was usally a stick..

The same is true today. These people dont make a living wage, meaning their lives/families have to be subsidized in some form or fashion. The worst of the worst do not subsidize, and just leave their people to make try and make it on their own, even after a full days work.

This is what happens when people like you pretend that everyone is just low paid.

Calling sweatshop conditions deplorable is one thing, but comparing it to slavery of old shows a lack of understanding of what true slavery entails. Accusing people of supporting slavery because we buy out-of-season fruit and electronics is asinine. Is it supporting poor working conditions? You betcha. Slavery? Nope.

If you want to see a modern example of actual slavery, take a look at human trafficking. People are sold for sex, labor, and to much more awful ends.

Educate yourself before you speak on a topic.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Ar...5088.shtml

Here are pictures of 'modern plantion workers along side 200 year old examples. if they were all put in the same format you could not tell them apart.
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+s...d=0CDoQsAQ

Slavery is alive and well my friend. Google Modern Indian textile production or indian tannery
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+i...d=0CB0QsAQ

Again the only thing that has changed in these industries in the last 500 years is increased demand, and the cancer causing compounds/tanning solutions and dyes they swim in to produce our shoes and clothing.

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It's real simple. You shop for the cheapest product that will fill the need you have. or maybe you want an apple or tomato outside of their normal northern hemisphere growing season? Where does that come from? A south American plantation who operates much like the plantations of the 1800 in the southern states.

These people are working/slaving for one reason. To provide a consumer based soceity with the products it buys. There is no other reason for them being there. That's what makes you responsiable for their conditions.

Which brings us to the otherside of the coin. Without our soceity these people would not have jobs period, and would die/starve. We need them, they need us.

What the bible does is protect them from a pure exploitaive relationship, like what we have now, because people like you want to sit on their imagined high horse and pretend all Slavery is bad.

WAKE UP!

The World runs on and NEEDS slavery to one degree or another. It always has and will unless we can develop our robotics far enough along to do all the labor jobs for free.

Dirch Dirch DIRCH sweatshop people get paid and live a free life. People do sweatshop work to provide for their families if you did any research on it. Its a tough job market some people unfortunately need to get by any way possible. its not slavery it can't be even compared to slavery
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Slaves do not get a chance at life all they do is fucking work. They work day in day out. they do not get a chance to live a normal life. They die from abuse or they are killed trying to escape.

READ THE POST BEFORE YOU WRITE! Or do you not know the difference between a sweat shop and a plantation?

[Tonus]

These people are working/slaving for one reason. To provide a consumer based soceity with the products it buys. There is no other reason for them being there. That's what makes you responsiable for their conditions.

You claim that this is "direct" support for slavery. But you are stretching the definition of slavery and wildly stretching the definition of "direct" in order to imply that we are no different from you in supporting slavery, we are simply hypocrites for speaking out against it.

If you can stretch these definitions so much, how many ways can we stretch them to claim that people support other behaviors "directly"? You have climbed onto a very slippery slope in an attempt to justify slavery as a concept, to the point of pretending that it's some sort of necessity. And all so that you can downplay the fact that the Bible doesn't universally condemn slavery.

[Strider]

What makes you think slaves were not compensated in anyway? All slave owners work with carrots and sticks. The Carrots were compensation above basic living conditions. and the stick was usally a stick..

The same is true today. These people dont make a living wage, meaning their lives/families have to be subsidized in some form or fashion. The worst of the worst do not subsidize, and just leave their people to make try and make it on their own, even after a full days work.

This is what happens when people like you pretend that everyone is just low paid.

Drich, no, slaves were not compensated with money. At all.

Now, I agree with you in that these people are often working in absolutely wretched conditions for a mere pittance. It's not slavery though. Slavery is holding someone against his will and forcing him to work or whatever. These people are being forced to work in this places. They may feel there is no other choice, but they are not required to be there. That's the difference. We can call this type of labor horrible and awful and an atrocity, but we can't call it slavery because they aren't engaging in the work against their will.

Educate yourself before you speak on a topic.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Ar...5088.shtml

Hell, in that very article it says that the cutting season only lasts five to eight months. Slavery isn't part-time, Drich. As I said earlier, this sounds atrocious, but it still isn't slavery despite the tossing about of catchy phrases such as "modern slavery".

Here are pictures of 'modern plantion workers along side 200 year old examples. if they were all put in the same format you could not tell them apart.
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+s...d=0CDoQsAQ

Put me in a hat in a field and snap a picture. You won't be able to tell the difference between that and others picking fruit or veggies either.

Slavery is alive and well my friend. Google Modern Indian textile production or indian tannery
https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+i...d=0CB0QsAQ

Again the only thing that has changed in these industries in the last 500 years is increased demand, and the cancer causing compounds/tanning solutions and dyes they swim in to produce our shoes and clothing.

Yes, the methods are environmentally damaging and hazardous to their health. But, again, workers are not forced to work there. Now you seem to be equating having to work with dangerous chemicals and hazardous conditions with slavery. If that's what you're doing, you might as well say that the hundreds of thousands of people who had to work with asbestos a few decades back were enslaved.

[robvalue]

Morally bankrupt, intellectually bankrupt.

All to suck up to a book I wouldn't use as toilet paper.

Quick question, what would have to be in the bible before you stopped defending it? How far would god have to go?

[abaris]

All to suck up to a book I wouldn't use as toilet paper.

The paper quality isn't exactly butt friendly anyway.

[dyresand]

Morally bankrupt, intellectually bankrupt.

All to suck up to a book I wouldn't use as toilet paper.

Quick question, what would have to be in the bible before you stopped defending it? How far would god have to go?

The bible makes great fire though.