A doctor is a man who works on a schedule and lives within the confines of space-time and is subject to its laws. God, on the other hand should be able to save any and all from tragedy and malady. This article would be more on point if it addressed who Christians should curse when an able bodied transcendent deity neglects to step in.

Edit: or a woman sorry

(December 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Exian Wrote: A doctor is a man who works on a schedule and lives within the confines of space-time and is subject to its laws. God, on the other hand should be able to save any and all from tragedy and malady. This article would be more on point if it addressed who Christians should curse when an able bodied transcendent deity neglects to step in.

Edit: or a woman sorry

Free will kido, free will. Christians understand this, besides if God healed everyone all the time the world would be full of crazy people like....

I took my mother to her doctor the other day, she was there to have the doctor to look at the progress she was making after a broken hip, he was absolutely amazed at her progress, she's 88 years old and a Christian. But that's not exactly what I want to say. While waiting in the room for the doctor to come in I heard the doctor telling a lady in the room beside mom's that she was going to die. Naturally she became very upset and that's putting it mildly, I can never remember a person sounding so distraught, it hurt me to hear her. I heard a man trying to comfort her but he finally left the room. Before we left I walked over to him and said I heard her and I know it can't be good, I said to him, what the doctor told her I do not need to know nor do I want to know. I said I would be praying for her and him, he thanked me and I left. Seems he had no problem with a prayer and he was loosing a loved one.

GC

(December 24, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote:

(December 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Exian Wrote: A doctor is a man who works on a schedule and lives within the confines of space-time and is subject to its laws. God, on the other hand should be able to save any and all from tragedy and malady. This article would be more on point if it addressed who Christians should curse when an able bodied transcendent deity neglects to step in.

Edit: or a woman sorry

Free will kido, free will. Christians understand this, besides if God healed everyone all the time the world would be full of crazy people like....

Wait i need a frame of reference so he cured the world of crazy people like what?

God invented cancer.

The prosecution rests.

(December 24, 2014 at 2:02 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: God invented cancer.

The prosecution rests.

Court adjourned lets go to deny's.

Why do you think a able bodied, healthy, wealthy, satisfied, happy person cannot have free will? Why do you feel suffering has to be there for the supposed "free-will"? Also who the f*** in their right mind would use free-will to choose suffering? If anything, letting people suffer is a violation of their free-will

Free will huh.

I give you the free will to die from hideous diseases I invent and to get destroyed by "natural disasters" I send at you.

God can give free will without fucking us in the ass at the same time. I'm afraid it's not a good argument.

(December 24, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote:

(December 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Exian Wrote: A doctor is a man who works on a schedule and lives within the confines of space-time and is subject to its laws. God, on the other hand should be able to save any and all from tragedy and malady. This article would be more on point if it addressed who Christians should curse when an able bodied transcendent deity neglects to step in.

Edit: or a woman sorry

Free will kido, free will. Christians understand this, besides if God healed everyone all the time the world would be full of crazy people like....

No amount of free will is going to allow one doctor to zip around the world, Santa Claus style, saving every sick person. You don't thank a doctor because he/she chose to work on you and not some other person. You thank them for dedicating their life to helping people when ever possible.

(December 23, 2014 at 3:19 pm)Sionnach Wrote:

Quote:We Americans have much to be grateful for: a stable country, a democratic political process, a proud history of scientific progress, and a tradition of standing up for those who need defending, even if we are occasionally slow to rise to their defense.

We give thanks to all those in our lives who help us or are just there for us because it's important to show gratitude for the sacrifices others make on our behalf. Unfortunately, some people have a bad habit of publicly thanking their god for events that went their way, saying, "I survived by the grace of God," or "We're so blessed with good health." They don't understand how thanking a deity for one's own good fortune automatically and unfairly implicates those who face more difficult circumstances.

Take for example some of the survivors of the horrendous school shootings that have recently plagued our nation. When they thank god for letting them live, they are implying that their god actively chose not to save the lives of those who were killed in the incident, either because he loves them less or because their death was just a part of his divine plan. We see this situation repeated with illness, where a sick person thanks god for healing their pneumonia makes someone with another illness feel as though they simply weren't worthy enough to be helped or saved.

Don't religious people find it curious that their god saves seemingly random people, while fating others to painful ends? For every person "saved" by god from disease is an amputee which hasn't been granted a new limb by their god. Was one person simply more deserving of god's favor than the other?

A friend of mine has a teenage son who recently got diagnosed with cancer. As much as I want my daughters to be as healthy as they can be, for me to express thanks for their current cancer-free state wouldn't be a compassionate response to my friend. And if we were believers in an all-good, all-powerful god, such thankful behavior would be worse since it would indicate that god must have chosen one to be sick and the other to be healthy, as if the sick one did something bad, or the healthy one is more moral. All too often, these situations starkly show the lie behind the idea that there's an omnipotent good god.

Most of the people who commit this faux pas have no idea of the impact of their actions, and are just trying to connect the world around them to their faith, or modestly deflect responsibility for good deeds. Although thanking doctors and others who had an observable impact on their condition would be more considerate and have potential benefits down the road. But regardless of their intentions, the impact is the same, and leaves countless individuals wondering what they've done wrong to not receive help from their god.

It's worth mentioning that there are also some people who thank a deity for positive events in their life as a way to brag or display false humility. We all know this type of person, who constantly thanks god for their big house, fast car, or other material possession that is meant to impress friends and acquaintances. Some professional sports players are popular perpetrators of this humble brag, but they are far from being the only ones who act in this distasteful manner.

Gratitude is something we should demonstrate to those we believe responsible for helping us in our time of need, but we should remember to express our gratitude in a way that doesn't hurt those that are still suffering.

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Jimi Hendrix never helped anyone score a touchdown, I don't know what y'all are on.

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Also, I see GC is shitting up yet another thread with his lowbrow ramblings. I'm still waiting for the little pissant to explain why Hell is just, but he's unable to do so. What a blowhard.

The only reason I don't put him on ignore is that I'd lose many opportunities to mock his earnest stupidity and dullard tendencies.

(December 23, 2014 at 8:08 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 23, 2014 at 3:19 pm)Sionnach Wrote:

There fixed that for you, all bold mine. You are seriously deluded by your own despite of Christianity.

GC

Seriously? People like doctors and teachers are only human. They can't save everyone. They're not all knowing nor are they all powerful.
Your god is supposedly both. I was at a Christmas party Saturday in the biggest house I've ever seen (and I've seen some pretty big houses), there were so many people and even more food. It was ridiculous. We stood in a circle while one man thanked god for blessing his family with so much food and so many nice things. Not because he was so glad to be blessed but because he was blessed with the ability to give so much to others. Well, it seemed really nice and that he helps people less fortunate than him is a nice gesture. I couldn't stop thinking that perhaps his god could have blessed him a little less and maybe blessed people whose children are slowly starving to death a little more. If everyone has your god to thank for everything they have, then it's just that. Everyone has your god to thank for everything they have. Including children they cannot feed, cancer, aids, abusive spouses, nightmares from being a POW, a cheap tiny casket for their little one for every horrifying reason imaginable, etc. etc.
What is it? Do we thank god or don't we? It's unfair to thank god for lives saved and tummies fed if you do not also thank him for lives lost and starving children.
So when you say your Christmas prayers this year, be sure to throw in a thank you for the cancer that killed my friend Kelly at 25 years old this year and the famine that starved so many children to death. Don't forget to thank him for fatal car accidents and for allowing so many people to lose their jobs. If you're going to give him thanks for all he has given then give him thanks for all of it not just the good stuff.

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(December 23, 2014 at 11:39 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 23, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Tonus Wrote: Wait... being thankful for doctors and teachers is a mark of delusion?

The reason I change the original quote was, to show that placing the doctor and teacher in for god would be just as damaging as the if the writer was correct which he wasn't. The whole thing doesn't make sense, for example the writer assumes or at least wants the reader to assume that all people here everyone praying for others and that's ridiculous. Christians understand that God's not going to heal everyone and unbelievers don't care about God, so as I see it the writers only feeling sorry for himself, he needs to get over it.

GC

GC....you do realize that good faithful Christians are victims to tragedies even while they pray and heathen atheists live happy comfortable lives all the time...right?
Prayer doesn't change your odds. You change your own odds, those who help you change your odds, those who don't help you change your odds, where you live...so many things are factors in what will happen and what won't. Prayer isn't one of them. I've never seen it make a difference. Ever.