(December 25, 2014 at 11:59 pm)mralstoner Wrote:

(December 24, 2014 at 1:39 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: [*]The IRS "Scandal"
[*]Benghazi
[*]Benghazi Part II (the bogus 60 Minutes story)

Jesus f*cking christ, I'm all the way over here in Australia, and I know these 2 are real scandals.

Start with Benghazi, the Obama f*ckwits left 4 Americans for dead all because Captain Stupid (i.e. Obama) lives in the fantasy world where he thinks that bombing Gaddafi out of the way would instantly turn all Muslims into American friends. Who the f*ck is that stupid? Really? Is anyone you know that f*cking stupid?? Obama is a first-class f*cking moron.

Hence Obama/Hillary (1) refused to secure the Benghazi consulate when there was clear evidence of a growing threat and (2) the local "security" for the consulate were themselves Muslim radicals who conveniently disappeared during the attack and (3) they refused a rescue because it would mess with Obama's nice clean new narrative that Libyan Muslims would now be our friends.

This matters because future Americans in dangerous situations are no longer confident their admin has their back. This is f*cking serious sh*t for field operatives. Who would now work for America in a dangerous foreign situation when they can no longer rely on backup to rescue them? Nobody.

Obama didn't left 4 americans, he couldn't get them out in time. By the time they knew what was going on, it was too late.

Quote:As for the IRS, look up the heart wrenching testimony of Catherine Engelbrecht on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxcMKtsm5BU

Liberal groups were targeted more than convervative groups. No scandal.

Well, I see it's not just Americans who catch the Obama derangement delusion. What's sad is he's a pitiful excuse for a liberal. He's a center-right president but liberals often feel forced to defend him anyway because he's better than the screwball alternative offered by the GOP.

That some people continue to believe "Benghazi" is still a "scandal" is a testimony to how divorced from basic facts our political discourse has become. Back in my conservative days, I would spend 10% of the time debating the facts with liberals and the rest on how to interpret them or the best way to solve our problem. These days, spending 100% of the time on the facts clearly isn't enough.

How many GOP led congressional investigations have there been on Benghazi that have come up dry? I've seriously lost count. I know it's been several.

mralstoner Wrote:they refused a rescue because it would mess with Obama's nice clean new narrative that Libyan Muslims would now be our friends.

Don't forget to wear your tin-foil hat tonight.

mralstoner Wrote:As for the IRS, look up the heart wrenching testimony of Catherine Engelbrecht on youtube.

That's great that you've found a radical right wing wackjob to tell her tear-jerking story about how oppressed she is getting non-profit status for her voter suppression group. In the real world, there is no evidence of any conspiracy at all, never mind one that goes all the way to the White House.

NPR Wrote:Now a fact check in the ongoing story about IRS treatment of conservative groups. For more than a year, two house committees have been investigating the IRS for stalling conservative groups that were seeking tax-exempt status. House Republicans have alleged the Obama administration orchestrated the delays. But as NPR's Peter Overby reports, the evidence collected over the past year fails to support that allegation.

Frankly, I'm still fuzzy on why political action groups get to be considered tax-exempt public charities but Citizens United changed a lot in our political landscape.

Now go put on your tin foil hat.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:26 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Now go put on your tin foil hat.

Your debating style summed up pictorially:


Read the book, it's all about bone-headed morons like you (on both sides of the political spectrum).

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(December 26, 2014 at 1:13 am)Surgenator Wrote: Obama didn't left 4 americans, he couldn't get them out in time. By the time they knew what was going on, it was too late.

Nice bedtime story to comfort you at night, I'm sure. But you forgot the other two preventative failings I mentioned. And it's a fact that the response team was told to STAND DOWN. These 4 dead Americans are just "bumps in the road, folks" towards the wonderous Obamaland where Muslims are no longer Muslims, nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about, strawberry fields forever....

(December 26, 2014 at 1:13 am)Surgenator Wrote: Liberal groups were targeted more than convervative groups

Excellent, show me the video of their heartbreaking testimony.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:34 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:26 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Now go put on your tin foil hat.

Your debating style summed up pictorially:


Read the book, it's all about bone-headed morons like you (on both sides of the political spectrum).

And your arguments are refuted if you read the posted articles.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:34 am)mralstoner Wrote: Your debating style summed up pictorially ...

(December 26, 2014 at 1:40 am)Surgenator Wrote: And your arguments are refuted if you read the posted articles.

Politics is f*cked. America is f*cked. Debate is over. Welcome to the post-American dark age. It's all about damage control from here.

Post-American World a New 'Dark Age'? - Niall Ferguson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2R6gaha2sQ

(December 26, 2014 at 1:34 am)mralstoner Wrote:

(December 26, 2014 at 1:13 am)Surgenator Wrote: Obama didn't left 4 americans, he couldn't get them out in time. By the time they knew what was going on, it was too late.

Nice bedtime story to comfort you at night, I'm sure. But you forgot the other two preventative failings I mentioned. And it's a fact that the response team was told to STAND DOWN. These 4 dead Americans are just "bumps in the road, folks" towards the wonderous Obamaland where Muslims are no longer Muslims, nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about, strawberry fields forever....

I would love to see which right wing crap source you're getting your info from. Please share.

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(December 26, 2014 at 1:13 am)Surgenator Wrote: Liberal groups were targeted more than convervative groups

Excellent, show me the video of their heartbreaking testimony.

So you're valuing emotional reasoning over logic. I liked an article that explained in detail the so called "scandal," but someone being a crybaby is suppose to have more weight. Then go and cry all you want, see how far your childlike behavior gets you.

Add the IRS 'scandal' to the previously dismissed Benghazi horseshit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/us/hou...share&_r=2

Quote:WASHINGTON — An 18-month congressional investigation into the Internal Revenue Service’s mistreatment of conservative political groups seeking tax exemptions failed to show coordination between agency officials and political operatives in the White House, according to a report released on Tuesday.

But as we see, facts have no bearing on the lunatic fringe which, having once believed something simply cannot let it go even when the perpetrators of these horseshit investigations give up the ghost. Probably explains the continued belief in fucking jesus among so many lunatics.

(December 26, 2014 at 1:48 am)mralstoner Wrote: Politics is f*cked. America is f*cked. Debate is over. Welcome to the post-American dark age. It's all about damage control from here.

I don't entirely disagree with this assessment but what is screwing us is the big lie that makes all the little lies possible.

What is the big lie? It's summed up in four words: "Both sides do it".

It's the last line of defense for the GOP and their pseudo-centrist enablers in the corporate controlled media. Whenever the GOP is caught being criminal, incompetent, or abusive, the pseudo-centrists swing into action to diffuse responsibility. Just listen for it. You will hear these two words spoken over and over: "both sides".

The big lie covers for the GOP and prevents them from being held accountable by society at large for the fact that they have completely lost their collective minds. When they are in power, as in the W administration, they wreck everything in sight and pillage what they can. When they are out of power, as with this administration, they shut down and sabotage. And all the way, they have enablers in the corporate media writing horseshit like this:

Amazon Book Summary Wrote:[The Righteous Mind] shows why liberals, conservatives, and libertarians have such different intuitions about right and wrong, and he shows why each side is actually right about many of its central concerns.

Great. It sounds like more weeping of salty tears over the "bitter partisan divide" in our nation, how "Washington is broken" and "the extremes on both sides" are tearing our nation apart. Thanks anyway but we get plenty of this horseshit in our daily dose of corporate media talking heads.

The problem is with conservatism. The problem is with the GOP. They lied us into a war. They wrecked our economy. They funneled massive wealth to the top 1%. Until they are completely driven from power, we will continue our downward spiral.

(December 26, 2014 at 8:48 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: The problem is with conservatism. The problem is with the GOP. They lied us into a war. They wrecked our economy. They funneled massive wealth to the top 1%. Until they are completely driven from power, we will continue our downward spiral.

True, but we've now swung to Obama's dangerous policy of appeasement with everyone: Russia, Iran, China, and all Muslim extremists (unless they live stream decapitations). There's no dictator he thinks he can't topple with his charisma. He's a freakin lunatic. He's so fixated on the "evil" white man he thinks his mere presence on the world stage will solve all conflicts. 100% moronic.

The problem is there is no centre. It's the same here in Australia. We swing from the bleeding heart left-liberal lunatics, to the free market anarchist right wing lunatics.

But it's far deeper than that. Race divisions are hardening, now that demographics are amounting to, effectively, a revolution in Western countries.

The economy is wrecked primarily by free trade, supported by both parties. So long as there is a huge trade deficit with China, the jobs and wealth won't come back.

Meanwhile the clock ticks, as China is furiously beavering up their military might. It's only a matter of time before they kick the USA out of Asia, and my country Australia falls. And then China will be on your doorstep too. We're all f*cked.