What if it's part of a bubbling cauldron of universes? That's my favorite possibility, to be honest.

(December 31, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Tonus Wrote: What if it's part of a bubbling cauldron of universes? That's my favorite possibility, to be honest.

Hm... i mean we would have to figure out our universe a bit more but.. sure it could be apart of a multiverse or were in some type of cauldron of universes.

There probably wasn't a singularity like that. I'll put it in my signature presently...

(December 31, 2014 at 2:57 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(December 31, 2014 at 5:46 am)Godschild Wrote: Are you so much of a child that you worry whether I've read your post or are you just plain ol' proud of yourself. Me thinks I will never read it though, there couldn't be anything new, you've shown you're a parrot of the first order.

GC

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You going to apply this to the universe, my guess is you want.

No wonder why not so many people like you GC your a arrogant asshole. the universe created itself BTW.
The big thing that keeps me from being a theist i seeing and hearing people like you in church. If you cannot answer a simple
question without doing some theological gymnastics to answer a simple question as who created god or how god exists to make up
some completely off the wall bullshittery a simple i don't would be even better. But you on the other hand have to resort to call people
stupid and dumb when you don't even bother to read what you have wrote........ seriously go back and read how stupid your arguments
are. Even if god did exist he would be embarrassed of you trying to prove his existence.

I did not come here to be liked, when a person speaks the truth that makes others feel something besides good about themselves they tend not to like that person, I realized that before I came here. Yes I did stand up strong in church and people told me that I was asking them hard questions because it made them deal with who they were, and people did that for me, I appreciated it, though it hurt, it made me stronger. You see I would man up instead of making excuses. Repent instead of lying to myself.
What I said about you I believe is true, sorry you do not like it. Tell me why should I hold back (though I do at times), to keep you comfortable with yourself, sorry I want lower myself to delude you, you'll have to put up with it or block my posts.

To answer your question and it will be from scripture because we have no other place to go. God has never not existed, He says he's always been and will always be, if you want to try and go crazy trying to figure that out be my guest. By the way God's statement about himself shows He desires to exist forever. Try this one on for size, it's just something for you to think about, God is eternity, without Him nothing exists, He holds all in His being.
You see if you would take the time to read the Bible and glean from it you would have already of known this and we wouldn't have had to go around and around.

GC

(December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: To answer your question and it will be from scripture because we have no other place to go.
GC

Sigh, we have lots of other places to go. But just as you won't convince us of taking any book literally, we won't convince you of the wide spectrum you're missing.

And I remember the concept you're quoting from my earliest childhood, when I prepared for first communion. I remember it because even then it didn't convince me, which only proves what I said in the above line.

(December 31, 2014 at 3:53 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(December 31, 2014 at 3:27 pm)Tonus Wrote: Sooo, which came first... the universe, or the universe?

A singularity of all the possible matter and or energy in the known universe was there. Out side of that singularity and or around it there was nothing no space or time.

Do you realize that scripture actually teaches this, except for the part where anything existed before God created the matter and the Holy Spirit imparted energy. Well maybe there are things you can learn from the Bible, even though it doesn't purport to teach science, there are little jewels to be gleaned from it. So part of your statement is many thousands of years old.

GC

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(December 31, 2014 at 7:41 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: To answer your question and it will be from scripture because we have no other place to go.
GC

Sigh, we have lots of other places to go. But just as you won't convince us of taking any book literally, we won't convince you of the wide spectrum you're missing.

Believe me I know what you're saying, however find me another source that proves God hasn't existed forever?

Gc

(December 31, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Believe me I know what you're saying, however find me another source that proves God hasn't existed forever?

Gc

That's the difference between our world views. You claim to know god exists, or more to the point, your understanding of god exists. There are others making the claim for different gods or different understandings of the christian god. I don't make a claim from a point of absolute knowledge. I make a point from disbelief given the evidence I'm presented with.

To be precise, I absolutely don't believe in any scripted god, since all the scriptures paint god with human traits, human virtues and human vices, which leads me to understand they are man made. Could it be, that some force is out there? Possible, I don't know and I certainly haven't seen or experienced any evidence for it, but it's still a remote possibility.

(December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 31, 2014 at 2:57 pm)dyresand Wrote: No wonder why not so many people like you GC your a arrogant asshole. the universe created itself BTW.
The big thing that keeps me from being a theist i seeing and hearing people like you in church. If you cannot answer a simple
question without doing some theological gymnastics to answer a simple question as who created god or how god exists to make up
some completely off the wall bullshittery a simple i don't would be even better. But you on the other hand have to resort to call people
stupid and dumb when you don't even bother to read what you have wrote........ seriously go back and read how stupid your arguments
are. Even if god did exist he would be embarrassed of you trying to prove his existence.

I did not come here to be liked, when a person speaks the truth that makes others feel something besides good about themselves they tend not to like that person, I realized that before I came here.

GC you make us feel great. Because everytime you post, we get to sit back and say 'wow, I'm glad I'm not that fucked up.' We can look at you and see that whatever you believe, if we believe the opposite, we're probably not doing too bad.

So shine on GC, shine on.

(December 31, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: find me another source that proves God hasn't existed forever?

Gc

Referring to the truth that someone else finds difficult to handle, it is quite apparent and obvious that you, and other theists, know quite well that your god does not exist anywhere except as an imaginative concoction in your mind. And that scares you so you cling even more to the delusion rather than just letting it go because you are under the misguided notion that your existence would be worse if you did not cling to the irrational belief of your god's existence. It is rather sad that one must cling to a fabrication in order to find any solace in life, and to cling to it so tenaciously in the presence of clear logic depicting it as nothing more than mythology is very unhealthy and detrimental to society.

(December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 31, 2014 at 2:57 pm)dyresand Wrote: No wonder why not so many people like you GC your a arrogant asshole. the universe created itself BTW.
The big thing that keeps me from being a theist i seeing and hearing people like you in church. If you cannot answer a simple
question without doing some theological gymnastics to answer a simple question as who created god or how god exists to make up
some completely off the wall bullshittery a simple i don't would be even better. But you on the other hand have to resort to call people
stupid and dumb when you don't even bother to read what you have wrote........ seriously go back and read how stupid your arguments
are. Even if god did exist he would be embarrassed of you trying to prove his existence.

I did not come here to be liked, when a person speaks the truth that makes others feel something besides good about themselves they tend not to like that person, I realized that before I came here. Yes I did stand up strong in church and people told me that I was asking them hard questions because it made them deal with who they were, and people did that for me, I appreciated it, though it hurt, it made me stronger. You see I would man up instead of making excuses. Repent instead of lying to myself.
What I said about you I believe is true, sorry you do not like it. Tell me why should I hold back (though I do at times), to keep you comfortable with yourself, sorry I want lower myself to delude you, you'll have to put up with it or block my posts.

To answer your question and it will be from scripture because we have no other place to go. God has never not existed, He says he's always been and will always be, if you want to try and go crazy trying to figure that out be my guest. By the way God's statement about himself shows He desires to exist forever. Try this one on for size, it's just something for you to think about, God is eternity, without Him nothing exists, He holds all in His being.
You see if you would take the time to read the Bible and glean from it you would have already of known this and we wouldn't have had to go around and around.

GC

You cannot even answer the question how does god exist and always existed without a creator. And if god had a creator who created him. A being such as god cannot create himself...