(January 1, 2015 at 7:49 pm)lifesagift Wrote: by that I mean, I have no belief in any god, but so many people do believe.... so why does god, all powerful, let me not believe?

Why do you want to believe? (Given God exists)

(January 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why do you want to believe?

Hot dish.

In my region, if you go to church, you get hot dish; Noodles, mushroom soup, peas and cashew nuts on top. I miss that.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:12 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why do you want to believe?

Hot dish.

In my region, if you go to church, you get hot dish; Noodles, mushroom soup, peas and cashew nuts on top. I miss that.

Is that enough of motivation for the soul to reach out and see God though? Is that enough of a motivation for God to guide you? Will you can in tune with the holy light within, just because you want to get some hot dish?

(January 1, 2015 at 10:12 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 10:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Why do you want to believe?

Hot dish.

In my region, if you go to church, you get hot dish; Noodles, mushroom soup, peas and cashew nuts on top. I miss that.

Don't forget the baked goods. Gotta love the banana bread.

(January 1, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Spooky Wrote: God is unable to create a rock so big god can't move it.
1. Unable to compete with middle school logic.
2. Practically unable to do "anything".

And yeah dyresand, you beat me to it. The ever present free will argument.

A moveable/unmoveable rock is nonsensical. Propositioning nonsense is not a good argument.

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(January 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 7:49 pm)lifesagift Wrote: by that I mean, I have no belief in any god, but so many people do believe.... so why does god, all powerful, let me not believe?

Some one is going to say free will.

Not believing in God does not require the existence of freewill.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Spooky Wrote: God is unable to create a rock so big god can't move it.
1. Unable to compete with middle school logic.
2. Practically unable to do "anything".

And yeah dyresand, you beat me to it. The ever present free will argument.

A moveable/unmoveable rock is nonsensical. Propositioning nonsense is not a good argument.

Why not? God is all powerful after all.

(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Have you actually with seriousness looked for God

This shit pisses me off.

What does this even mean?


"Look for god".


Bollocks.

I suspect a great many people here have probably put in a lot more effort than you to discern whether a god exists or not. It's not a question of whether someone has lived up to this insane obligation to "look". It's a question of whether the shit we're supposed to believe is convincing enough to make us believe it in the first place. Some people are more easily convinced than others (read: more fucking gullible). The thing that is the most ridiculous about this absurd notion, is that if god were to punish us for either option, looking and not being convinced or not looking at all, one way or another he is a massive fucking cunt.

Not only that. But if it were so easy as simply 'looking' for him, I suspect everyone on this planet would not only be Christian, but they'd be the right denomination and all believe the same shit. The very fact even you guys can't agree on what's right or what to follow in that big book of myths you call the bible, suggests even further this isn't some trivial task like "looking for him".

If we genuinely 'search for god' and we come to the conclusion he isn't there, and we're wrong, he's going to punish us for... what exactly?

And if we don't look at all, what in the flying fuck makes this asshole god so self important that he wants every bastard on this planet to spend their lives searching for him? Why should we be obligated to seek him out? Please enlighten me.

Don't come back with "because your fate in the afterlife is on the line", or "jesus died for you" or some other nonsense. Let's say both of those are true. Muslims could argue the same thing and they'd have just as much validity.

No, god can come to me thanks. I'm not inclined to believe he exists any more than some other bullshit you come up with, like Harry Potter is real, or a cosmic space turtle shat everything into existence, because by all accounts, any actual evidence that he does exist, doesn't fucking exist.

Period. End of discussion.

If you've made some groundbreaking discovery and have undeniable proof of his existence, that you happened to come across while simply 'looking', please collect your nobel fucking prize.

Also, another fuckin thing. Say someone in some uncontacted Amazonian tribe doesn't 'look for god', because they're busy being brought up on worshipping trees, or the sun, or other shit that makes way more sense than some all seeing sky daddy. Do they get a free pass to heaven or do they get punished? Either way your god sounds like an asshole. If he gives them a free pass, that's not exactly fair to me is it? Or anyone else for that matter. If he punishes them, then damn, what a cold hearted sadistic bastard.

If he's real, he'll know my reasons for not believing in him, and if he's not a total cunt I'm pretty sure he'd let me off. That would be the reasonable thing to do. So given that, I'm not too worried about my fate. Nor should anyone else be. The thing that sickens me most is the insidious nature behind the 'have you seriously looked' line of thinking. It implies not only that you've looked harder than someone else, but also that you apparently care more. Talk about arrogance.

If he doesn't forgive me for not accepting the quite obvious and undeniable evidence for his existence that you are insinuating is there if people just happen to 'look for it', then this god is not one I would worship, even if I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt he was real.

/endrant.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Spooky Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Heywood Wrote: A moveable/unmoveable rock is nonsensical. Propositioning nonsense is not a good argument.

Why not? God is all powerful after all.

When you want God to create a moveable/unmoveable rock.....what exactly do you want God to do? When you can make sense of your own proposition then perhaps we can discuss what it means to be all powerful. The existence of an omnipotent God does not make your nonsense disappear.

God is so powerful that he can move in mysterious ways.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-cit...-in-k,535/

Quote:Yahweh, whose unknowable purposes have necessitated, among other things, the death of 40 million Europeans from the Bubonic Plague, 40,000 Peruvians in a 1868 earthquake, and six million of His chosen people in Nazi concentration camps, said he was "not unmoved" by the suffering of the Papua New Guinea flood victims.

(January 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(January 1, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Spooky Wrote: God is unable to create a rock so big god can't move it.
1. Unable to compete with middle school logic.
2. Practically unable to do "anything".

And yeah dyresand, you beat me to it. The ever present free will argument.

A moveable/unmoveable rock is nonsensical. Propositioning nonsense is not a good argument.

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(January 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm)dyresand Wrote: Some one is going to say free will.

Not believing in God does not require the existence of freewill.

If we have no free will who is controlling us then?