(January 3, 2015 at 10:43 am)Tonus Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 2:04 am)Drich Wrote: Without the knoweledge of sin then there is no rejection of God's word/will.

Then why put the tree in the garden? Would their lives have been negatively impacted if they did not have knowledge of evil? It seems as if the tree only affected one particular choice: whether or not to serve god. Why give them that choice at all, if the only possible outcomes were (1)to maintain the status quo or (2)to completely wreck things and usher in a period of thousands of years of human misery and death?

God allowed the same thing with satan.

Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

Yet he sends you to hell for not serving him. Yes, makes total sense.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Sionnach Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

Yet he sends you to hell for not serving him. Yes, makes total sense.

Christianity its not supposed to make sense. Only the "worthy" get to go to heaven anyways. Even if i wanted to i am not "perfect" enough to be there.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

Using you own circular reasoning, he knew that before setting up the experiment. You guys are always stressing he's omniscient after all. So it was all for the heck of it.

(January 3, 2015 at 11:18 am)abaris Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 10:43 am)Tonus Wrote: Why give them that choice at all, if the only possible outcomes were (1)to maintain the status quo or (2)to completely wreck things and usher in a period of thousands of years of human misery and death?

It's even more absurd than that. Given the christian believe of god being omniscient it was only the shadow of a choice, since god knew beforehand that placing that tree would result in them eating from it. So, following that logic, god wanted menkind to suffer and only put on a charade to suit his own perverted needs.

Ahhh.. You almost had it!

If you kept going with your chain of thought, you would have seen the broader picture that included the rest of Humanity. Christ's sacrifice, offering of attonement and salvation, and billions if not trillions of indivisuals who want to serve Him.

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(January 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Sionnach Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

Yet he sends you to hell for not serving him. Yes, makes total sense.

What other option do you see?

The only thing I'm going to serve him is a three course ass whoopin'. If he ever has the balls to show up and face me. I'm not waiting around, I got stuff to do.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:10 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 1:08 pm)Sionnach Wrote: Yet he sends you to hell for not serving him. Yes, makes total sense.

Christianity its not supposed to make sense. Only the "worthy" get to go to heaven anyways. Even if i wanted to i am not "perfect" enough to be there.

Not to the slow or worldly minded no it is not.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Drich Wrote: What other option do you see?

Should an omnipotent, omniscient being not be capable of understanding and carrying out more options?

Even as humans, we are capable of it, but I suppose you prefer to pin the false dilemma fallacy on your imaginary friend.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him.

Using you own circular reasoning, he knew that before setting up the experiment. You guys are always stressing he's omniscient after all. So it was all for the heck of it.

Do you know what happens to a monarch butterfly if you cut him free of his cocoon rather than allowing him to struggle through it himself? Without the resistance the cocoon offers his wings never fully develop as he forces himself though the cocoon fluid is forced through the capillaries in his wings allowing the to expand. Without this struggle the butterfly never fully develops.

Evil/evil people are the 'cocoon' to Christianity's butterfly. They provide the evil nessary to develop the character and tests/proofing needed for one to be ready for eternal service to God.

That is why I say satan is not God's arch enemy. He is a servant (reluctant) but still yet serves a purpose in this life, as per the book of Job.

(January 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 1:10 pm)dyresand Wrote: Christianity its not supposed to make sense. Only the "worthy" get to go to heaven anyways. Even if i wanted to i am not "perfect" enough to be there.

Not to the slow or worldly minded no it is not.

clearly think about all the other religions out there and atheists. Other religions without the Abrahamic god make much more sense even if its minor. And i am clearly smart enough not to believe in god the devil heaven or hell.