(January 7, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I oft wonder, how many attacks do they think it will take before people just turn on islam altogther? Do they think they are some how wining here? All I see is terrified children that dont wonna grow up. To bad for them that they wont have to pay the price, instead it will be the moderate muslim who wont be be able to find a job because of his religion, it will be his duaghter being beat up by other kids in school.

They would have to do something pretty and dramatically fucked up. If they they attack a internet server or an internet back bone infrastructure all the world would hate them. People love the internet, they will have successfully made billions of angry people doing something like that.

(January 7, 2015 at 11:23 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 7, 2015 at 11:20 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I oft wonder, how many attacks do they think it will take before people just turn on islam altogther? Do they think they are some how wining here? All I see is terrified children that dont wonna grow up. To bad for them that they wont have to pay the price, instead it will be the moderate muslim who wont be be able to find a job because of his religion, it will be his duaghter being beat up by other kids in school.

They would have to do something pretty and dramatically fucked up. If they they attack a internet server or an internet back bone infrastructure all the world would hate them. People love the internet, they will have successfully made billions of angry people doing something like that.

They pretty much had the entire world against them after 9/11 ... until Dubya fucked that up with his gratuitous invasion and talk of "crusades".

God damn it, I am pissed because now that same channel that said they'd all be caught is now saying only one turned himself in. And two ares still on the run.

(January 8, 2015 at 12:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: God damn it, I am pissed because now that same channel that said they'd all be caught is now saying only one turned himself in. And two ares still on the run.

they can't run forever... remember consequences always catch up.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/gunm...d=28050771

Tough for secular authorities to do, but I gotta admit, I'd love to see any surviving terrorists this occasion to be converted to pretty much any other religion/atheism at sword point, for the conversion to be put on the internet, and for the conversion to involve Qurans, hog feces, hog smegma, and hog afterbirth.

Just to pay homage to those who perished...

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

To the terrorists --

Here's those cartoons you hated. I'm posting them here so that your act will in one small part have been in vain. You can kill people, but you cannot kill ideas.









I hope these images get spread around the world as a result of your murderous insecurity. I hope that thousands of folks will look at these, scratching their heads and asking, "They're afraid of this?"

What a weak god you must worship, who is threatend by human drawings. Drawings!

Or ... maybe it is your faith which is weak, and challenged by heterodox thought.

Oh, and fuck off. Free thinkers will win out everywhere, because we have the strength that comes with the free flow of ideas.

(January 7, 2015 at 9:35 pm)Chas Wrote:

(January 7, 2015 at 8:18 pm)Alex K Wrote: Dawkins would/will probably say they enable the extremists by making religious thinking acceptable and commonplace.

And he would be right.

He may well be, but as often with him, I wonder what I can gain from the insight other than a smug sense of superiority. What is the conlusion we should draw from that? At best, you can hope that believers read it and feel and accept more responsibility?

I watched the news last night (in England) and was impressed with the coverage. They displayed the cartoon in question for everyone to see, along with other ones the place did in the past. They did not try and suck up to islam and say this is nothing to do with it. They had a Muslim moderate speaking out against it, and explicitly saying that islam should be subject to criticism and should not have some sort of immunity of fear. Good for him, that was a brilliant speech he gave.

I have to wonder what these radicals are ultimately playing it. If their intention was to censor us, they have failed and have in fact drawn more attention to the very things they are trying to hide. Did they not realise that this would eventually happen given enough of this bullshit? They also seem to be trying to enrage as much of the rest of the globe against them. It seems like the only possible plan can be to goad everyone into action against them.

I very much like the change of label to "religious terrorist". The blame for supporting the ideas of faith needs to be burdened by anyone who claims it is a good thing. I'm not in any way saying moderates are just as much to blame, or that they are all the same. What I am saying is that they validate the idea that faith is a good thing, and the idea that these evil books should be taken seriously. That is inescapable. But I very much applaud any moderate who speaks out against the radicals, we need as many as possible to do this. The only action I'm suggesting is that moderates think about this.

The problem is not with the books themselves so much as the insane belief that these books are magic, automatically true beyond scrutiny, and good. It's this ridiculous attitude that needs to change, and I think as usual education is the key. If these books were viewed as the works of fiction they are, we wouldn't have a problem.

I agree that trying to outlaw religion sounds very appealing but is misguided in my opinion. The aim should be to educate, and to eventually reduce the power religion holds over society. It needs to be relegated to the point of "crackpot superstition".