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Harris' take on the recent events in Paris
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Harris' take on the recent events in Paris
Here, Sam talks a bit about what happened and then reads an essay he wrote over an year ago, which I find cuts right to the heart of the problem, as always. I thought I'd post this and get your thoughts on it. I hope I don't regret it.

http://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/st...armageddon

Quote:In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris reflects on the recent terrorist attacks in Paris.
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RE: Harris' take on the recent events in Paris
I respect Harris. Hes willings to take as many hits as it takes to get his point out there.
EDIT: Hes got a podcast now? I feel old.
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I enjoy and respect him so much but I can't get his site to openly tonite. Will try again later. Thanks for the heads up
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Yeah EP, I'd love to listen, but that link isn't working for me. I think his site is down. I'll try again later.
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He is dead right here, in my opinion.

This ridiculous idea that ISIS is nothing to do with Islam is naive at best and dangerous at worst.

Any oral myth about a particular text containing some sort of magical authority is a very poisonous thing to perpetuate, in just about every way possible. ISIS is easily supported by the Quran and hadiths. Moderate Islam is not, and requires ridiculous mental gymnastics. However people may censor the book in their own minds, they pass on the myth that somehow the whole thing is from God and the horrid words remain the same. Is it any wonder some people actually believe this?

The worse a person is at representing Islam, or indeed Christianity, as presented in their books, the better person they are to a civilised society. The better they are at representing, the worse person they are.

Someone who is already indoctrinated and brainwashed by even moderate Islam is going to be much more vulnerable to being groomed by ISIS than someone who has not been. Would anyone argue with that?

ISIS are living in a grim fairy tale version of reality, but the very idea of fairy tale realities is being perpetuated by these ridiculous oral myths.
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I just listened to it.
He was offline not long ago.
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(November 16, 2015 at 4:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Someone who is already indoctrinated and brainwashed by even moderate Islam is going to be much more vulnerable to being groomed by ISIS than someone who has not been. Would anyone argue with that?

It is unimaginable that someone who doesn't believe in the crazy religion bullshit would be able to muster the will to join such an organization and do these kinds of atrocities and at the express risk of losing their own lives, mind you.
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Guys, I'm sorry. I knew his site had problems but I thought it was over by now. It must've been the increased activity or something.

Here's the soundcloud link to the same episode of the podcast. I hope it works.

https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/stil...walking-01
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(November 16, 2015 at 11:30 am)excitedpenguin Wrote: It is unimaginable that someone who doesn't believe in the crazy religion bullshit would be able to muster the will to join such an organization and do these kinds of atrocities and at the express risk of losing their own lives, mind you.

It may be unimaginable, but it's relatively common.  There are tried and true methods for developing combatants, and their own personal ideological leanings are the very least of the resistance that needs to be overcome.  That takes all of a few seconds of close personal interaction.  It's easy to get a persons thinking mind onboard, its a hell of alot harder to get their subconscious to toe the line.  Most people default to posturing to the exclusion of any other activity, and posturing rarely puts bodies in bags. Right after posturing is support. As in, people will load the guns for the more well-developed shooters. Lots of them, even if they aren't, and will never be, shooters themselves.

Risk to ones own life is rarely considered at all, the best way to approach that is to leave it unmentioned. We don't like to think about it, so it takes no effort on the part of the trainer to get a person to ignore it.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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