GC I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Please be clear.

Erm, no. No one has ever made a coherent definition of God that I have seen. All I hear is vague notions about what he did, what his powers are, and why he cannot be detected in any way at all.

Sorry but I think I'm done with you, I'm tired of not getting any answers ever. I really don't know why you're here, it's not to test your faith.

(January 8, 2015 at 4:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: He want be the one spending eternity in hell now will He.

GC

Well, as long as he doesn't bother providing any evidence, I don't believe I will be either.

And you gloating over me burning in hell is such a nice sentiment, really brings out your Christian morals.

Denial doesn't change a thing.
You judging me on morals, Christian or not is laughable. Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought, if I wanted to gloat I wouldn't need to post for five years, but then you don't care to understand, do you.

(January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 4:00 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Well, as long as he doesn't bother providing any evidence, I don't believe I will be either.

And you gloating over me burning in hell is such a nice sentiment, really brings out your Christian morals.

Denial doesn't change a thing.
You judging me on morals, Christian or not is laughable. Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought, if I wanted to gloat I wouldn't need to post for five years, but then you don't care to understand, do you.

I'll be waiting for God to show me anything at all, if he cares so much about me and is such a good dude.

(January 8, 2015 at 4:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: Erm, no. No one has ever made a coherent definition of God that I have seen. All I hear is vague notions about what he did, what his powers are, and why he cannot be detected in any way at all.

Sorry but I think I'm done with you, I'm tired of not getting any answers ever. I really don't know why you're here, it's not to test your faith.

My faith needs no testing and if it ever does that's a job for God. You are only wanting to back out because you can find no excuse to defend your need for absolute proof.

GC

(January 8, 2015 at 3:19 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, personal testimony is not evidence. Sorry. If that's all it took, anyone can just claim anything. You need to be able to demonstrate something repeatedly before its convincing to a sceptic. Multiple testimonies might be a starting point, but investigation is then needed.

No one gave you authority to determine what is and is not evidence, and I don't care if you find it convincing.

Quote:The claim someone loves you is not falsifiable. You could discover them behaving in ways that demonstrate they don't, like you find them cheating on you. I'm not talking about absolute truths here. I'm talking about having access to some sort of test or data.

The claim someone loves you could be reasonably assessed with evidence, and you could come to a valid conclusion. I see no problem there. It's a scientific method of sorts, you're dealing with real evidence.

OK, now you acknowledge that a claim does not necessarily need to be falsifiable in order to be reasonably assessed. That's progress.

Quote:Can anyone even define God in a coherent way? I don't think we even got that far. Or spirituality, ghosts, anything you like.

Here's one dictionary definition:
a supernatural being, who is worshipped as the controller of some part of the universe or some aspect of life in the world or is the personification of some force

Again..nobody is asking for absolute proof, you absolute twat.

(January 8, 2015 at 4:12 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Denial doesn't change a thing.
You judging me on morals, Christian or not is laughable. Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought, if I wanted to gloat I wouldn't need to post for five years, but then you don't care to understand, do you.

I'll be waiting for God to show me anything at all, if he cares so much about me and is such a good dude.

He allowed his precious Son to be nailed to a cross and suffer death. It' all you need and all you will receive. It's been plenty for billions, so I guess you're saying you're to good to accept what others find sufficient.

GC

(January 8, 2015 at 4:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Denial doesn't change a thing.

So say 1.5 billion Muslims about all you misinformed Christians. Enjoy your eternity in Jahannam.

Quote:Actually I think it's a shame that anyone spend eternity in hell, I hate the thought

So, how can Heaven be a paradise for you, knowing for eternity that the vast majority of your fellow humans are suffering for eternity? Some of them may be friends and family.

I made a typo, the claim someone loves me is not unfalsifiable. There's plenty of things I would consider good evidence that someone does not love me.

No I don't make the standards of evidence, the scientific community does. They separate substantiated claims from made up stuff.