(January 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Adam lived in a perfect place but because of his sin God cursed the ground. Thanks to him we life in a fallen world, here bad, evil is the norm.

Don't even go there. Moron swamps ahead.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:02 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Thanks to him we life in a fallen world, here bad, evil is the norm.

I'm sorry you have such a dismal view of mankind.

God justifies children starving to death, dying of AIDS, plus all manner of suffering worldwide because Adam was a bit naughty?

Blimey. He could make it all better right? But he won't?

Voyeur sadist. I don't think he is worthy of making excuses for.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:38 pm)robvalue Wrote: God justifies children starving to death, dying of AIDS, plus all manner of suffering worldwide because Adam was a bit naughty?

Blimey. He could make it all better right? But he won't?

Voyeur sadist. I don't think he is worthy of making excuses for.

Haven't you as a child ever done wrong and your mom caught you, and then spanked your butt. We're getting our butt spanked.

Who said life was fair?

No, we didn't do anything wrong. A guy ages ago did. And killing millions of innocent children is a bit worse than a spanking. I call mighty false equivocation.

It's so sad that christianity breaks people down so badly that they really think they deserve the misery they have to endure in this world The idea of the consequences of a crime being inherited is ludicrous. By that logic, if a father goes to jail for a crime, so should all his children as well. Does that sound fair?

(January 14, 2015 at 12:44 pm)strawdawg Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:38 pm)robvalue Wrote: God justifies children starving to death, dying of AIDS, plus all manner of suffering worldwide because Adam was a bit naughty?

Blimey. He could make it all better right? But he won't?

Voyeur sadist. I don't think he is worthy of making excuses for.

Haven't you as a child ever done wrong and your mom caught you, and then spanked your butt. We're getting our butt spanked.

Everyone? For the sins of one person? For all time?

That isn't anything like your analogy. If your mother was immortal, and while you were 6 you took an extra cookie from the cookie jar, and instead of just spanking you, she spanked you for all time, as well as your brother, and all your friends, and all their siblings and parents, and all their children, and waited around to spank every baby that would later be born, for all time, that might be a little closer to what you're asserting the situation currently is.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, we didn't do anything wrong. A guy ages ago did. And killing millions of innocent children is a bit worse than a spanking. I call mighty false equivocation.

It's so sad that christianity breaks people down so badly that they really think they deserve the misery they have to endure in this world The idea of the consequences of a crime being inherited is ludicrous. By that logic, if a father goes to jail for a crime, so should all his children as well. Does that sound fair?

Once again, life is not fair.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:51 pm)strawdawg Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: No, we didn't do anything wrong. A guy ages ago did. And killing millions of innocent children is a bit worse than a spanking. I call mighty false equivocation.

It's so sad that christianity breaks people down so badly that they really think they deserve the misery they have to endure in this world The idea of the consequences of a crime being inherited is ludicrous. By that logic, if a father goes to jail for a crime, so should all his children as well. Does that sound fair?

Once again, life is not fair.

Ergo, God is not fair (or at least doesn't seemed concerned with it), as he created this situation.

So, god's a horrible unfair monster, but too bad? He's god so he can do what he wants?

I have no idea why you'd want to have anything to do with a bastard like that.

(January 14, 2015 at 12:47 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(January 14, 2015 at 12:44 pm)strawdawg Wrote: Haven't you as a child ever done wrong and your mom caught you, and then spanked your butt. We're getting our butt spanked.

Everyone? For the sins of one person? For all time?

That isn't anything like your analogy. If your mother was immortal, and while you were 6 you took an extra cookie from the cookie jar, and instead of just spanking you, she spanked you for all time, as well as your brother, and all your friends, and all their siblings and parents, and all their children, and waited around to spank every baby that would later be born, for all time, that might be a little closer to what you're asserting the situation currently is.

God has made a provision so that you can keep your butt from being spanked. A Savior.