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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 9:44 am
There is no morals in christianity. I find it funny how i asked a person about morality they said oh atheist have no morals but then i asked why are they such a small minority in prison while christians are a large part.
He just ended up walking away from me pissed off.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 10:55 am
(January 23, 2015 at 5:23 am)robvalue Wrote:
I couldn't remember some of those commandments in the image, so I looked them up on wikipedia. Apparently that image is the "Ritual Decalogue", and the more familiar Ten Commandments is the "Ethical Decalogue", and there are two versions of the "Ethical Decalogue".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_Decalogue
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 11:38 am
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(January 22, 2015 at 6:14 am)robvalue Wrote: This is a byproduct of another thread, but I think the point is worth its own thread, if not its own TV show.
Can anyone name a single Christian moral teaching (moral meaning helpful for the wellbeing of individuals and society) that is not reasonably obvious to any well balanced atheist?
If you are a Christian and the answer is no, what does that tell you about the relevance of Christianity as a moral guide?
Ah, but you're over looking the deterrent effect of eternal torture. The Christian moral code way well be ubiquitous but there is something about following those rules blindly for the sake of a huge payoff that somehow tastes better to them and makes the rest of us nauseous.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2015 at 11:45 am by Davka.)
I once had a conversation with an Orthodox Jewish gentleman about the teachings of Jesus. He challenged me to come up with a single teaching that Jesus didn't simply take from pre-existing Jewish teachings. I thought for a minute and said "he told us to love our enemies."
The gentleman was silent for a moment and then said "OK, I'll give you that one, that's original. But it's stupid!"
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 12:17 pm
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(January 23, 2015 at 11:44 am)Davka Wrote: I once had a conversation with an Orthodox Jewish gentleman about the teachings of Jesus. He challenged me to come up with a single teaching that Jesus didn't simply take from pre-existing Jewish teachings. I thought for a minute and said "he told us to love our enemies."
The gentleman was silent for a moment and then said "OK, I'll give you that one, that's original. But it's stupid!"
Are you sure that teaching doesn't exist in Judaism? It is similar to the golden rule which I have heard exists in many cultures.
I suppose the uniqueness might be the emphasis on internal attitude? A person could do good to an enemy begrudgingly without loving that enemy, but Christianity says that isn't good enough.
BTW, I find Paul's statement of the golden rule in Romans 12:17-21 to be especially perverse. However, notice how Paul seems to be quoting from a tradition. I assume this might be a Jewish tradition?
Quote:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 9:06 pm
To love the Lord with all your with all your heart.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 9:10 pm
(January 23, 2015 at 9:44 am)dyresand Wrote: There is no morals in christianity. I find it funny how i asked a person about morality they said oh atheist have no morals but then i asked why are they such a small minority in prison while christians are a large part.
He just ended up walking away from me pissed off.
The theistic answer I have always received in relation to that question is that atheists may be moral in accordance with man-made laws, but they are behaving immorally in accordance with god's law.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 9:38 pm
(January 22, 2015 at 6:14 am)robvalue Wrote: This is a byproduct of another thread, but I think the point is worth its own thread, if not its own TV show.
Can anyone name a single Christian moral teaching (moral meaning helpful for the wellbeing of individuals and society) that is not reasonably obvious to any well balanced atheist?
If you are a Christian and the answer is no, what does that tell you about the relevance of Christianity as a moral guide?
Sinfulness of divorce and adultery
Love your enemies
Actually, western world secular morality is based on christian morality.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 9:42 pm
(January 23, 2015 at 9:38 pm)Lek Wrote: Actually, western world secular morality is based on christian morality.
Actually, there is no such thing as Christian morality. There is merely human morality, and theists have taken it upon themselves to make the claim that they have a monopoly on morality.
Besides, history shows that Christian morality is anything but.
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RE: Challenge regarding Christian morality
January 23, 2015 at 10:23 pm
(January 23, 2015 at 9:38 pm)Lek Wrote: Actually, western world secular morality is based on christian morality.
Actually Christian morality is corrupted by its commitment to following gods orders because they are gods orders and lead to reward rather than punishment. There is no morality in that sort of outlook. It is the desire for infantile oblivion.
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