(February 16, 2015 at 5:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: Whoah! Ok. Really?

How... Just how can you convince yourself of this stuff? It really is an amazing skill, to read an incredibly accurately detailed description of exactly what jesus is saying, yet claim he is saying the precise opposite. My word.

Okay go up to post #186 and read the verses I referenced and tell me if you think that Jesus is saying that I, as a christian, am under law. It's should be very clear to any reader that christans are not under the law.

(February 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Surgenator Wrote: And you don't see how this is absurb.

No. Why is it absurd? Jesus is God who experienced life on earth directly as a person. Why wouldn't he be the one we would go to?

How can you not see it? Are you intellectually blind? I have ask god to ask god to believe in him. Fucking absurd.

At best it says you aren't under it, but you also are. It's a huge mess of contradiction.

You really think "all things were accomplished" when jesus died on the cross? What about all the things since then, none of it is important?

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I'll leave you to your word twisting. I'm off to sleep, goodnight all

(February 16, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Surgenator Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm)Lek Wrote: No. Why is it absurd? Jesus is God who experienced life on earth directly as a person. Why wouldn't he be the one we would go to?

How can you not see it? Are you intellectually blind? I have ask god to ask god to believe in him. Fucking absurd.

We don't pray directly to Jesus and have him relay everything. We pray "in his name" when we pray to the Father. But this is a waste of time for you and me anyway. I understand that you think it's an absurd concept and that's one reason you don't believe in God.

(February 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 5:38 pm)Surgenator Wrote: How can you not see it? Are you intellectually blind? I have ask god to ask god to believe in him. Fucking absurd.

We don't pray directly to Jesus and have him relay everything. We pray "in his name" when we pray to the Father. But this is a waste of time for you and me anyway. I understand that you think it's an absurd concept and that's one reason you don't believe in God.

So sll that talk about "Oh lord who art in heaven, please <insert wish>." is just a decoy. There is no difference between "in his name" and to Jesus.

This is the third time I'm asking this. Can you please answer it, Lek:

rexbeccarox Wrote:

(February 15, 2015 at 11:51 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 15, 2015 at 11:40 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Funny you brought up divorce there, Lek. Seems a small minority of protestant franchises are even aware of Mark 10:11, let alone enforce it.

I'm afraid you're right Vorion.

So does that small minority contain the only possible True Christians?

(February 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm)robvalue Wrote: At best it says you aren't under it, but you also are. It's a huge mess of contradiction.

You really think "all things were accomplished" when jesus died on the cross? What about all the things since then, none of it is important?

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I'll leave you to your word twisting. I'm off to sleep, goodnight all

The things Jesus had to do to fulfill his plan for salvation culminated in the sacrifice cross. After that the purpose of the law was fulfilled. The purpose of the law, which we are unable to keep, was to point to the messiah who would fulfill the law for us. That's why we obtain our righteousness from Jesus. He imputes his perfect righteousness to us when we believe in him. Goodnight! Sleep tight!

(February 16, 2015 at 12:58 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: What a great *get out of jail* free card.

On the contrary; what a terrible arrangement. Unless god arranged for some people to beat him up, there would be no redemption for mankind. God would not have provided a way out of a trap that he set for humanity in the first place, then blamed them for. Keep in mind that although none of Adam and Eve's descendants had any hand in the fall of man, they had absolutely no mechanism of their own for reversing the curse. They were dependent on the schemes of a person who thought up the idea of a human-god-hybrid three-day sacrifice as a way to fix the problem.

Rube Goldberg thinks that god's schemes for salvation are convoluted.

(February 16, 2015 at 5:53 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: This is the third time I'm asking this. Can you please answer it, Lek:

rexbeccarox Wrote:So does that small minority contain the only possible True Christians?

No. True christians have faith in Christ, and that faith plays out in our lives. If someone mistakenly believes that their divorce is justified, even though it is not, they could be mistaken or just going against what they know to be true. We all sin, but that doesn't necessarily sever our relationship with God.

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(February 16, 2015 at 5:57 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(February 16, 2015 at 12:58 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: What a great *get out of jail* free card.

On the contrary; what a terrible arrangement. Unless god arranged for some people to beat him up, there would be no redemption for mankind. God would not have provided a way out of a trap that he set for humanity in the first place, then blamed them for. Keep in mind that although none of Adam and Eve's descendants had any hand in the fall of man, they had absolutely no mechanism of their own for reversing the curse. They were dependent on the schemes of a person who thought up the idea of a human-god-hybrid three-day sacrifice as a way to fix the problem.

Rube Goldberg thinks that god's schemes for salvation are convoluted.

Adam's sin resulted in a change in mankind. We do suffer the effects of Adam's sin. If a nuclear missile explodes in your city, generations to come will deal with the consequences of that explosion. The thing is, I know everything will end up okay, and it can be the same way for everybody.

How can someone get a mistaken idea from Mark 10:11 ??

About as clear as anything in the bible !!


I suppose the lure of strange poontang can corrupt the strongest Christian will in regards to divorce and remarriage though.