(March 7, 2015 at 6:26 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Maybe miles would like to start a new thread on the historical evidence for jeez so we can eviscerate it.

Yeah, because we don't already have three.

Yes! A new perspective I'm sure. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

(March 7, 2015 at 6:13 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: Sorry bud. But faith is just pretending to know things you don't know. If you had evidence you would present it. But you can't and must rely on the old con game of faith. Amazing anyone falls for it. Sure belief in magical cosmic Jewish zombie is required to save you from an evil force. Right. Sure. Gotcha.

God has given men all the evidence needed to prove His existence.

Not that I expect to change anyone's mind, but something cannot come from nothing. Forget evolution, forget the Big Bang, because it's all garbage if you can't explain (or even come close to explaining) the origin of matter. Since something cannot come from nothing, the source of matter must operate outside the laws of physics, i.e. it must be a supernatural source. That source is God, and there is simply no other way to explain existence.

You can say that isn't good enough if you like. Demand more if you must, but more will not be given, nor should it be. Expecting more, especially within the context of the Bible, is exactly what God doesn't want us to do:

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Am I invisible?

One big old argument from ignorance.

And no. That isn't good enough by any means. Bare assertions from your magic book don't mean anything.

You don't get to conjure your god into existence via mere fiat.

Miles, where, then, did God come from? The Special Pleading Wizard?

(March 7, 2015 at 6:32 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Am I invisible?

Sorry - my point in saying there is no evidence to the contrary is that atheists are always demanding evidence, so why can't I?

You all use mockery and sarcasm, speaking of "wizards" and "fairy tales," when to me, NOT believing in the existence of God is the fairy tale.

To say that something CAN come from nothing is, to me, beyond ludicrous. To further assert that the something that existed would magically explode and form extraordinarily complex worlds and systems within systems within systems, and form precise mathematical and scientific laws from chaos, is quite frankly laughable. Not that I look down on anyone who believes in these things, because each man has only what God has given him, including understanding that which concerns our existence as a whole.

God has always existed and will always exist. It is not explainable by mere mortals, but neither is our existence without Him being the cause of it.

(March 7, 2015 at 5:49 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: Your problem, however, is that you make assumptions about God and His character. He is not trying to be "adorable." He is not trying to win a popularity contest. He is teaching us the difference between good and evil, so that we will be made in His image; that is, righteous, independently sentient beings.

So how's that any different than Al Capone's sense of justice? Don't punish the actual perp but his family members. That'll teach him.

No, my friend. We're not made in his image. He's made in the image of an archaic society where things like that were acceptable and just another day at the office. He's got his share of human like any other god that ever got created.

That's special pleading, dude! And on top of it, you're shifting the burden of proof.

(March 7, 2015 at 6:50 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: That's special pleading, dude! And on top of it, you're shifting the burden of proof.

Where can i find the popcorn because this is getting hilarious with the shifting BoP.