(March 3, 2015 at 9:50 am)Harris Wrote:

(February 27, 2015 at 2:20 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Your logic above hinges on turning that lack of belief into a positive belief, then attempting to assault that position. But it isn't. Co-incidentally, you don't get to make "nothing can come from nothing" as a law, not unless you can come up with the force which created God

The question, “Who created God?” initiates infinite regressive series of questions about infinite number of gods. That simply means there is no universe and you know that is not true. Because universe exists, therefore, the question “who caused God?” is wrong. God is the uncaused Being Who caused everything else. If human mind do not grasp the idea of timeless God it is because human life is a captive of aging process.

As I recall it wasn't Jacob who initiated the infinite regress. You did that. It is you who are trying to profit here from the question of origins, something about which none of us knows the full and true story.

It is better to say, from our shared ignorance no necessary conclusions may follow. You haven't established a basis for a necessary god and I see no basis for establishing the impossibility of such a thing. Ignorance is ignorance. Lets leave it at that until we actually have something to talk about.

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(March 3, 2015 at 11:31 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

Quote:If you are convinced that there indeed a necessary thinking being who is the Grand Designer then I would be in position to talk about the known qualities of God.

I thought you said that god's "forever outside observational reach"? How can you be in the position to talk about the known qualities of something which is, by your own definition, fundamentally unknowable?

^This.^

(March 3, 2015 at 9:50 am)Harris Wrote: The question, “Who created God?” initiates infinite regressive series of questions about infinite number of gods. That simply means there is no universe and you know that is not true. Because universe exists, therefore, the question “who caused God?” is wrong. God is the uncaused Being Who caused everything else. If human mind do not grasp the idea of timeless God it is because human life is a captive of aging process.

Or it's rather the art of your evasiveness that makes you believe in a timeless god that caused everything. If he caused everything, he basically was sitting in a timeless void before he decided to create something. Sounds pretty boring for starters. And, oh yes, somehow this timeless being in a void has a bodily form, since there's that religious dogma of being created in his image.

So i arrived a bit late...but it seems like this whole thread is a continuous circle of comments so far

So I should do what it says in a 2000 year old book because you think there's a tiny correlation between that book and reality? Or am I to believe you that it's all true, because you say so?

Why is God suddenly Allah and not any of the other infinity of possible gods? How did you rule out an infinity?

And for the last time...

Being an atheist is (by default) making no claims at all. No claims. Not a single one.

Do you really not know that yet? How long have you been on this forum?

Quote: main purpose is to highlight how simply and concisely Quranic verses deliver profound logical facts

Does Harris get paid to write jokes? This stuff is great.

I can write profound logical facts too.

~(a^b) = (~a)\/(~b)

(pi^2)/6 = sum[n=1 ... Infinity] (1/(n^2))

For all real k there exists r such that Sum[n=1 ... r] (1/n) > k

Robvalue is God



There we go. 3 logical facts way more profound than anything in the quran I think you'll agree. So it must all be true, and I am God.

Do you want my email so you can PayPal me your gratitude for your existence?

That gigantic post raped my scrollbar.