(March 19, 2015 at 9:03 am)Drich Wrote: So is being gay a choice?? ABSOLUTLY

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So tell us, Drich. When did you personally make the choice of being straight? And what appeal did being gay have on you, since you consider it a choice? More importantly, could you be gay, if you were to simply follow your urges?

As for 'accepting' Christ, wouldn't a measure of the sincerity of that acceptance be manifest in eschewing sin(s) ?

For example, if Willy Sutton (always handy to cite ol' Willy) in the midst of a bank robbery suddenly saw the light, I'd think he would immediately stop robbing the bank, and maybe even start distributing the boodle to the poorer looking tellers and customers present. I don't think an authentic conversion during an actual bank robbery would be evident later, and I also suspect an actual sincere conversion would be apparent by a total lack of subsequent bank robberies.

The problem lies in the fact that the bar is set so high, you literally can't keep from sinning. Even the briefest thought of taking something that isn't yours counts as theft. So when christians admit they still sin, it's just because thoughts are the equivalent of actions, and we can't keep ourselves from thinking.

Can someone tell me why everything fun is a sin??

Bacon, Alcohol and Ménages à trois?

My apologies if this has already been posted.

(March 19, 2015 at 9:35 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(March 19, 2015 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: 'Here's the thing FF, 'my version' allows for all Jesus Christ centered 'versions.' While at the same time disqualifies any one 'true way.' In my post I even made an allowance for those who want to live under legalism as still being Christian.

Seems to me your speaking to steriotypes, and not to what is actually being said. How far does that go 'here?'

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Your cherry picking here shows that again your speaking to steriotypes rather than what was said. I Clearly said Homosexual sex is the SAME Choice as Hertro Sex outside the confines of marriage. Meaning it is the same sin for a gay or a straight couple.

But I guess your selfrighteous indignation does not work when you speak to all that I said, so you try and straw man yourself back into known ground.

"You should know this by now.." That intelectualy laziness does not work here.

You do know the difference between "having sex" and "sexual orientation", yes? "Being gay" doesn't mean that you that you have sex at all, it's about to what you are attracted.

So in your opinion it is possible for a someone to be gay (not have feelings for the oppsite sex) but at the same time, not have sexual thoughts towards a member of the same sex?

Because to me and Merrium webster to not have a sexual thoughts for either sex is Asexualality not Homosexuality.

Other know, to have have a sexual attraction to the same sex (sexual thought or sexual acts) is the defination of Homosexuality. to which Christ identifies a longing in the heart is being the same as doing the deed.

(March 19, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Other know, to have have a sexual attraction to the same sex (sexual thought or sexual acts) is the defination of Homosexuality. to which Christ identifies a longing in the heart is being the same as doing the deed.

Fuck christ!

Maybe that's getting your attention. So do you have feelings towards the same sex and consider it a choice to live with a female partner?

You personally, not christ, not Webster.

(March 19, 2015 at 10:08 am)Nope Wrote: Drich, correct me if I have misunderstood your stance on homosexuality.You believe that sex is a sin for anyone unless they are married. Homosexuals can't marry; therefore, sex between two men is always a sin. If a gay man chose to abstain from sex then he would not be sinning. I think this is the stance of both the Catholic and Mormon Churches.

If two men legally marry then are they still sinning when they have sex?

I used the term santified marriage for a reason. to have one's marriage 'santified' means to have God recognise or approve the civil union.
In order for God to approve the civil union must follow the model provided by god in the bible.

That said all other 'marriages' (if they do not follow the picture of marriage as outlined in scripture) are not santified by God. Which again is the only avenue in which a sexual relationship (thought or Deed) is not a sin.

Again a 'homosexual man' who does not have a sexual attraction toward members of the same sex is A-sexual. There is nothing wrong with being an a-Sexual according to Christ.
(He refered to them as eunics)

The only sin is to be sexually active (In heart or deed) outside of a santified marriage. same sex, different sex it is all the same sin, and demands the same attonement.

(March 19, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 19, 2015 at 9:35 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You do know the difference between "having sex" and "sexual orientation", yes? "Being gay" doesn't mean that you that you have sex at all, it's about to what you are attracted.

So in your opinion it is possible for a someone to be gay (not have feelings for the oppsite sex) but at the same time, not have sexual thoughts towards a member of the same sex?

Because to me and Merrium webster to not have a sexual thoughts for either sex is Asexualality not Homosexuality.

Other know, to have have a sexual attraction to the same sex (sexual thought or sexual acts) is the defination of Homosexuality. to which Christ identifies a longing in the heart is being the same as doing the deed.

I have no idea why you're bringing asexuality into this. The only thing I said is that someone can be gay without ever having sex with a member of the same sex. It's an orientation, not an action.

And silly me, I forgot that Jesus spoke about the importance of thought crime.

(March 19, 2015 at 10:25 am)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 19, 2015 at 9:03 am)Drich Wrote: In short once we accept Christ our forgiveness of sin is based on how we love God and our ablity to forgive those who sin against us. (Treating others as we want to be treated.) Does that mean we get to do what we want? Absolutly. because if we love God with all of our being then what we want will be what God wants for us. Does that mean we continue to sin? Yes, we will continue to sin. Then what changes? our love for sin. We can not love our sin and Love God with all of our being.

(March 19, 2015 at 7:22 am)Drich Wrote: Attoment is the one and only cure for the zombie virus of sin. Once you have taken the cure it then inoculates you from future exposure as well.

I have been cure/saved from my sin as have everyone else who accepts the cure Christ offers.

Bolding mine.

The fact that you managed to contradict yourself within two subsequent posts speaks volumes.

As for the part about homosexuality... bah. Get your facts straight and try again.

Explain the contradiction as you see it please.