(March 20, 2015 at 4:22 pm)daver49 Wrote: Who told you Humans can sin?

Erm... god...?

(March 20, 2015 at 4:02 pm)robvalue Wrote: Hey, this is my little proof for you guys. It's about how God is the greatest sinner of them all.

Humans can sin.

Jesus was entirely human.

Jesus can sin.

Jesus is God.

God can sin.

God killed or ordered the deaths of over 2.5 million people in his own story about himself.

God is the greatest sinner of all time.

God doesn't sin, because sin is stuff he doesn't like. Since no one can force him to do things he doesn't like, then he's sinless. Not that being sinless is very impressive. Whoever is on top is sinless, as s/he can do whatever s/he wants. A spoiled child with reality warping powers.

(March 20, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Nope Wrote: Maybe my confusion is because you seem to have needed a test to determine your sexuality?

What Makes you think I NEEDED a Test? Someone (not you) asked when did I make the desision to be straight. My trucker story was the first time I needed to make that declaration which was nothing more than me giving voice to what I decided to be.

Quote: I have always known that I liked men and to a lesser extent women. There would be no need for a test to prove my sexuality.

Again there that word 'need' We don't need the test to decide anything. The oppsite is true. The test prooves what we have decided.

Quote:All the incident at the truck stop shows is that you aren't interested in selling sex to a very large man.

Actually to any men, because I looked around that was the majority of those who were taking intrest.

Quote: It doesn't prove anything about your sexuality.

Again all it was ever ment to proove was the idea that i had made a desision to my sexual orentation. you've taken 'the test' out of context inorder to try and make a new point.

Quote: Being gay doesn't mean you want to have sex with every available man. If you say you aren't gay, I believe you but you haven't answered the question about when you decided to be heterosexual.

Probably when my friend Luke showed me his dad's prono stash for the first time.[/quote]

(March 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: What do you have to say about the issue of thought crime in the context of intrusive thoughts?
If thought is equivalent to action, why don't we see inmates with life sentences for thinking about murder?

What about a person with OCD? Are they sinning because their brains are somehow miswired and they can't help the fact that intrusive thoughts enter their minds?

Drich, it sounds like you and I never made a decision to straight, gay or bisexual. We were both born with an attraction to people with certain genitalia. You can't be force yourself to be gay and a gay man can't force himself to be attracted to women.

Exactly. And it's not just people diagnosed with OCD -- most people experience intrusive thoughts from time to time.

(March 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm)Drich Wrote: My trucker story was the first time I needed to make that declaration which was nothing more than me giving voice to what I decided to be.

So you needed to make a decision? Interesting, since my thoughts when entering puberty were only about girls. No decision involved, just my natural primitive urges.

(March 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Well, if Jesus says that being gay is a choice then he is demonstrably factually incorrect, not something you'd expect from god himself. But he doesn't speak out on the issue, now does he?

Again, sport asked and already answered.

Your pretending Homosexuality is a sin apart from all other sexual sin therefore needs special mentioning. This is not the case. Homosexuality is a sexual sin like anyother sexual sin, which needs the same repentance and attonement.

...and just FYI Christ spoke on sexual sin several different time. always upholding What the law said or provided as the only way sex is premitted.

Quote:So then how do you know that homosexuality is a sin? What's your authority on that?

Oh, how I do love it when one of you come at me with old wornout/defeated arguements.

Again Homosexuality is a sexual/Lust based sin. God only provides one context in which Sex can be experienced and it not be a sin. That pcontext is in within the confines of a santified/God approved marriage.

The bible nor Christ provides an avenue in which God approves a homosexual marriage. Therefore ALL Homsexual sex is a sin..

Quote:Also, you dodged two other questions I asked. If I didn't make it clear that I'm expecting an answer, I'm doing that now.

What do you have to say about the issue of thought crime in the context of intrusive thoughts?

Your answer is found in Mat 5:

21 “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘You must not murder anyone.[d] Any person who commits murder will be judged.’ 22 But I tell you, don’t be angry with anyone. If you are angry with others, you will be judged. And if you insult someone, you will be judged by the high court. And if you call someone a fool, you will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “So, what if you are offering your gift at the altar and remember that someone has something against you? 24 Leave your gift there and go make peace with that person. Then come and offer your gift.

25 “If anyone wants to take you to court, make friends with them quickly. Try to do that before you get to the court. If you don’t, they might hand you over to the judge. And the judge will hand you over to a guard, who will throw you into jail. 26 I assure you that you will not leave there until you have paid everything you owe.

Jesus Teaches About Sexual Sin

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that if a man looks at a woman and wants to sin sexually with her, he has already committed that sin with her in his mind. 29 If your right eye makes you sin, take it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than to have your whole body thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Quote:If thought is equivalent to action, why don't we see inmates with life sentences for thinking about murder?

Because it is to whom thoughts are equilivent to actions that would determine whether or not one is jailed for his thoughts.

As the passage above explain Thoughts=Actions is how we will be judged by God... Because we are judged by God this way does not mean man will judge each other this way.

Why is the the standard we are using? Again I point to Mat 5. This thread is about sin and the nature of it as it pertains to Christianity. Therefore it is by the rules set down by Christ in Mat 5 pertaining to "Thought Crime or rather thought sin" that dictate what is and what is not relevent in this conversation.
Not what or how man judges one another.

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(March 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Nope Wrote: Drich, it sounds like you and I never made a decision to straight, gay or bisexual. We were both born with an attraction to people with certain genitalia. You can't be force yourself to be gay and a gay man can't force himself to be attracted to women.

and the third option is?

(March 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Exactly. And it's not just people diagnosed with OCD -- most people experience intrusive thoughts from time to time.

And if you are told not to think about something then you will automatically think about it. That is especially true in regards to an urge as strong as the one to reproduce. No wonder priests in the Middle Ages had to whip themselves. Being told, "Don't think sexy thoughts" is certain to make you think sexy thoughts.

(March 20, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Nope Wrote: No wonder priests in the Middle Ages had to whip themselves.

Which in itself often amounted to sexual gratification.

(March 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Nope Wrote: Drich, it sounds like you and I never made a decision to straight, gay or bisexual. We were both born with an attraction to people with certain genitalia. You can't be force yourself to be gay and a gay man can't force himself to be attracted to women.

Quote:

and the third option is?

You tell me what the third option is because I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you bisexual and chose to be only be with women? The only way your series of posts makes sense is if you are attracted to both sexes and decided to only have sex with women.