(April 15, 2015 at 2:57 am)Heywood Wrote: I consider all of you  advocating the forcing of people to serve other people they do not want to serve without a very good reason to be evil.

Yes, because serving another human is evil.  

Oh, I forgot, you have this very special power whereby you can determine that someone is gay.

Go ahead and discriminate my very stupid friend. 

May the eventual proverbial donkey knock your balls off.

Goodbye, bitch.

"Black coffee and a bagel? Certainly sir. Sorry to ask this, but you look a bit gay. Are you gay? We don't serve gays. I see you're with a male friend. Do you stick your dick in his arse sir? It's very important to us that no one who does things like that receives coffee and bagels."

(April 15, 2015 at 3:02 am)Kitan Wrote:

(April 15, 2015 at 2:57 am)Heywood Wrote: I consider all of you  advocating the forcing of people to serve other people they do not want to serve without a very good reason to be evil.

Yes, because serving another human is evil.  

Oh, I forgot, you have this very special power whereby you can determine that someone is gay.

Go ahead and discriminate my very stupid friend. 

May the eventual proverbial donkey knock your balls off.

Goodbye, bitch.

This isn't a conversation about determining if someone is gay or not.  Having failed the argument you want to change the subject.

Good bye dummy

"You sir. Yes, you at the back. You look a little bit racial. Get out."

"Ah, hello sir! Finally someone who is my equal. What can I get you? What?? You want two sugars in your tea? That's different from me! Get out!"

(April 15, 2015 at 4:41 am)robvalue Wrote: "You sir. Yes, you at the back. You look a little bit racial. Get out."

"Ah, hello sir! Finally someone who is my equal. What can I get you? What?? You want two sugars in your tea? That's different from me! Get out!"

Just admit it....you're not done.

If being gay was a choice, I certainly would be interested in what it feels like, and I'd try it out. It's one of those things you can't describe really I suppose. Like I've often wondered what it's like to be female.

I certainly don't think there's anything special about being hetro, it just gets kind of annoying at times My brain thinks things that I would never in a million years say to the person I'm looking at, and really, I don't need quite so much detail from my brain.

I guess it's no different being homosexual in that respect. But I'd be interested to see if I noticed any kind of transition other than the subject matter.

(April 15, 2015 at 6:00 am)robvalue Wrote: If being gay was a choice, I certainly would be interested in what it feels like, and I'd try it out. It's one of those things you can't describe really I suppose. Like I've often wondered what it's like to be female.

I certainly don't think there's anything special about being hetro, it just gets kind of annoying at times My brain thinks things that I would never in a million years say to the person I'm looking at, and really, I don't need quite so much detail from my brain.

I guess it's no different being homosexual in that respect. But I'd be interested to see if I noticed any kind of transition other than the subject matter.

If these homophobes tell you the secret to choosing your sexuality, you should try being bisexual for a day.

Yeah, if I could, I'd certainly like to try that

If anyone does know where to find these "settings" let me know. As yet I've not found the tick boxes for this.

When I say try these things, I don't mean go out and act on the urges, I mean just to know what it's like to feel that way. Naturally now I'm married I'm not going to be experimenting to that degree! Earlier in my life I would have, given the opportunity anyway.

If people were born gay, then we would expect that when one identical twin is gay, the other would be at or near 100% of the time. Studies have been done, and that's not the result. The highest rate found is 52%, and that was with a small sample and a non-representative population. Other studies come up in the 20s, and still others in the single digits. Whatever the actual rate is, it's nowhere near what we would expect if people were born gay. The evidence indicates that there is some amount of predisposition toward homosexuality in some people, but being gay is a choice in the (rear) end.

You guys pay lip service to going with the evidence. When the evidence doesn't support your desired position, you have no problem ignoring it.

When a theist says that they believe because they can see god working throughout their lives and give some examples, you correctly argue that such evidence is not compelling because it could result from confirmation bias, i.e. recalling only those things that confirm the desired position. But, when someone says they've felt gay all their life, well - that's good enough for you.

When I was younger I knew one G and one L well enough to discuss sex with them. Each strongly preferred same-sex partners, but each was willing to have an opposite-sex partner if that's all that was available. To each I therefore said, "So you're not gay, you're bi," and they each immediately replied that no, they were completely gay. This is not surprising. Here's an interesting study on bi invisibility. Read the case study on page 4. People open about being bi are frequently pressured into declaring themselves to be completely gay.

This was strategic, and allowed the comparison to the racial civil rights movement. However, the war is just about one at this point. Once it is, the strategic value of the paradigm will be unnecessary, and more supposed gays will come out of the bi closet, so to speak.

(April 15, 2015 at 7:23 am)alpha male Wrote: If people were born gay, then we would expect that when one identical twin is gay, the other would be at or near 100% of the time. [...]

Bullshit. Stick to things you can comprehend - like worshiping Jesus' penis. Genetics is clearly not your strong side...