(May 31, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(May 31, 2015 at 1:40 pm)robvalue Wrote: We can be friends if he wants to and he's not a jerk.

I think, if we're talking about the god of the bible, we're already pretty sure he's a jerk.

And if we're talking about the god of the Bible, we're already more than pretty sure he doesn't exist. This personage is asking us to consider the possibility that at the end of time s times s times s will equal 4. To then demand a yes or no answer to a question that is already dumb really is over the top.

(June 1, 2015 at 6:03 am)emjay Wrote:

Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:So you meet the God character and he says that the Jesus character that you've been worshiping all of your life is a fake.  What would you do then?  All of your religious beliefs have been for nothing since your version of the God character doesn't exist.

I was a Christian up until I was 18. I'm now 34. I was basically ignorant when I was a Christian because I believed what I was told about God and Jesus without much questioning and without any proper study of the bible save for cherry-picking verses along with everyone else. That is basically the definition of an idealised delusion so even if god was real, the chances of mine or anyone else's interpretation being correct would be practically zero. So on the off-chance my previous beliefs weren't a delusion and I genuinely met god face to face I would accept him (if he accepted me) quite happily because my previous beliefs were of the fluffy version of God and Jesus, all love and light. But if he was anything else then I would be just as ignorant as anyone else meeting an unknown god face to face and in that situation, if faced with the genuine prospect of an eternity in heaven or an eternity in hell - standing at the gateways to both - I would choose to serve in heaven rather than rebel in hell, even if that made me a coward. But serve would be all it would be; I could  not love without good reason because as has been said before, love is not a choice and it is certainly not real if it is the result of both a threat and a promise. But given the real choice I would much prefer non-existence to eternal life and thankfully all the evidence points towards that outcome.

So there you are facing your dilemma and you decide to serve the unknown god in his heaven instead of rebel in his hell.  He puts you on eternal duty of throwing hot coals on the heads of people in hell.  Do you think you will be happy or will you regret your choice?  If you don't regret your choice then you are just the typical concentration camp guard who tortures people.  Most rational people don't like those guys. 

Good people become evil when they are rewarded for doing evil acts.  If a deity rewards you with a spot in his heaven because you do evil things for him aren't both of you the definition of pure evil?  Remember, the deities of the Bible and the Koran torture people in their lakes of fire.  If you help them then how can you be good?

(June 1, 2015 at 7:27 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(June 1, 2015 at 9:16 am)robvalue Wrote: Regarding damnation, any god who isn't a complete jerk would surely never punish you for using your brain and being honest. And I'm sure he would prefer someone leading a good, worthwhile life to someone always praying for favours and grovelling on the floor to storybook characters they know can't be real.

Whoa .. what if we are all sock puppets of Gawd?  Perhaps the divine finger is up every one of our socks directing us in our roles as heroes or villains.  Every moral act could just be a puppet show performed by gawd almighty for His own amusement.  *mind is blown*

Did you just convert to Calvinism?

No.

If the Abrahamic deity is proven to exist that shows that the OT is correct.

I'd accept that the deity exists but nothing could convince me to worship the monster that is the deity of the OT.

Even if there were a god, I could never comprehend how something as petty and human as the abrahamic deity could create anything.

Everyone (literally, even scientists in the specific fields) has extreme difficulty grasping the concepts of QM, space-time, matter, energy and infinity. For a god that created all that, it would be simple child's play and yet some believe they have a concept of god. A god that created all of this would have no interest in writing a book or expecting worship. I would expect that this 'first cause' would care no more for us than the quarks it created and when we die, it will still be simply oblivion.

(May 31, 2015 at 8:34 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, He made us in His image!

According to your iron age story book. Present some evidence to support the claim or shut the fuck up.

(June 1, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 1, 2015 at 7:27 pm)whateverist Wrote: Whoa .. what if we are all sock puppets of Gawd?  Perhaps the divine finger is up every one of our socks directing us in our roles as heroes or villains.  Every moral act could just be a puppet show performed by gawd almighty for His own amusement.  *mind is blown*

Did you just convert to Calvinism?

Did I?  I had no idea.

(June 1, 2015 at 11:09 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(June 1, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Losty Wrote: Did you just convert to Calvinism?

Did I?  I had no idea.

It appears that you are now a Calvinist hehe don't forget to change your religious views on your profile ;) 

2 people said yes so far, who were they I wonder? Has any atheist voted yes?

This is what stuns me, I don't think I've ever heard of someone who believes the biblical God exists and doesn't worship it. Yet most of us would not, even if we found out he is real.

I have a new strategy for if I met Morgan Freeman after I died actually:

"Do you know everything or do I have free will? Can't have both!"

"Can too!"

"Nu uh!"

"Can too!"

"Fucking moron. Which way to hell?"

"I dunno..."

(June 1, 2015 at 10:07 am)Alex K Wrote: *BUMP*

(May 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm)Alex K Wrote: @ronedee
I don't understand what you mean by "accept", either. Can you clarify?