(June 5, 2015 at 1:45 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Can I brag of my is-4, kv-4, is-8 and m40/43?

IS-7 stalintanium armor and sloping

Why the fuck do we have so many people here that are knowledgeable about artillery?

Or are you guys just stringing together random numbers and letters, at this point?

(June 5, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Why the fuck do we have so many people here that are knowledgeable about artillery?

Or are you guys just stringing together random numbers and letters, at this point?

Well if were talking about random numbers RNG in WOT is terrible if you do so well it can turn 
around and make the game bad for you. I know this first hand does so many amazing matches
then gets teamed up with people who are not even good and is the last one to die. 

(June 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm)dyresand Wrote: Well if were talking about random numbers RNG in WOT is terrible

Just yesterday I bounced 6 consecutive shots of APCR off of a tier IV light tank at point blank range - with the 85mm on my KV-1.  Are you fucking kidding me?  The first shot should have racked him and sent his turret into low earth orbit.

(June 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm)dyresand Wrote: Well if were talking about random numbers RNG in WOT is terrible

Just yesterday I bounced 6 consecutive shots of APCR off of a tier IV light tank at point blank range - with the 85mm on my KV-1.  Are you fucking kidding me?  The first shot should have racked him and sent his turret into low earth orbit.

Exactly i was talking with my group on wot we came to a conclusion awhile back. If you are getting good matches in general the system itself
punishes you i have tested this i quit playing the game for a straight week after i lost a match went back on won matches lost one. It's the system. 

(June 5, 2015 at 2:46 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(June 5, 2015 at 2:40 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Just yesterday I bounced 6 consecutive shots of APCR off of a tier IV light tank at point blank range - with the 85mm on my KV-1.  Are you fucking kidding me?  The first shot should have racked him and sent his turret into low earth orbit.

Exactly i was talking with my group on wot we came to a conclusion awhile back. If you are getting good matches in general the system itself
punishes you i have tested this i quit playing the game for a straight week after i lost a match went back on won matches lost one. It's the system. 

Well, any sample size is going to be 1) biased and 2) insufficiently large.  But I get your point, in my case, the 85mm APCR pens 120-200 mm of armor.  Show me a t4 light that shouldn't get *wrecked* by that.  What's sick is even with that debacle, I was top gun for the team in scoring.  We rolled the map and I got hung up on 1v1 with a stupid scout.

(June 5, 2015 at 4:22 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(June 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: [...]One other point, it is still uncertain whether you will actually die as an atheist even if you are living as one now. An act of contrition said with one's final breath has saved many a soul, I have no doubt.

Oh, right - the famous christian loop-hole, where you can mutter a magic spell, just before you die and you get to meet Hitler, Stalin, John Wayne Gacy, or whoever else had the same idea - in heaven. 

Heh - good luck with that. Although I doubt you are stupid enough to actually believe that. Deep down you just enjoy telling tall-tales of redemption to infidels, while envisioning their inevitable eternal punishment. Or do you really expect us to believe, that you're fine with the vision of the afterlife, where you can go to hell, if you die suddenly because of a sin you haven't had time to repent for (let's say - your adulterous lover murders you during the act), while your murderer goes to heaven, if they happened to feel really, really sorry about it later in their long natural life - even just before death? Yeah, right...

You're selling god's forgiveness and mercy, as if they were  yours to grant. You should perhaps worry about your own fate and prepare your own sniveling death-bed apology.

I never said they were mine to grant nor did I imply anything of the sort.

I am curious though...on the one hand, atheists go on about how God is unfair to "send people to hell for eternity", etc, but when I point out that this may not be true, I'm castigated for speaking of God's infinite mercy.

Well, which is it?

Does God, as Christians understand Him, judge harshly and send people who do not deserve it into hell for eternity?

Or is God merciful and allow people who do not deserve it into heaven?

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(June 5, 2015 at 10:28 am)Jenny A Wrote:

(June 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Now, I can't gloss over the fact that you are NOT seeking God per se, but in that you may be trying to do (what is actually His will) known to you only by the dictates of your own conscience, you may be saved.

Sorry, I must admit I am not seeking god.   Not your brand or any other.  You see things that exist, don't have to be sought out in this way.  You may have to search to find something, but the results aren't dependent truly wanting to find it.  The Higgs Boson particle for example was very difficult to find, but there were good reasons for thinking it existed, and finding it depended not on faith, but evidence.

Now, if god obviously existed, it might make sense to say you have to seek out an acquaintance with him in the ways you've suggested.  But that's not the case.  God appears to be findable only with pick your phrase:  an open heart; grace; contrition, etc.  We don't find real things by the dictates of our conscience.  That is simply a way of saying, you can only find him by fooling yourself.  Sorry, but I don't fool myself on purpose.  God either exists or he doesn't and my conscience has nothing to do with it.

And it's perfectly obvious that as a method of fooling yourself, ask, seek, find works really well.  You can use it to "find" Allah, that The Book of Mormon is true, Yahweh, Jesus, and messages from your dead grandmother.  The fact that things people find this way are culturally dependent, and contradictory ought to be fairly good evidence that as a method it's flawed.

Do you seek truth, Jenny?

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(June 5, 2015 at 2:44 am)wallym Wrote: Half this stuff I think for the first time as I'm typing it.  That's why I'm here.  If I had it all figured out, I'd be thinking about something else.  For me, this isn't about trying to relive the glory years of junior high debate club.  I'm just interested in gaining information.

Your choice of the questions you ask AND the person(s) to whom you address them are both important considerations.

Oh yeah... there I was with my IS-8 and its 122mm gun... a rogue IS appears, turret turns, aims at the commander's cupola, shoot: "we dinged them".

M-41 artillery shot.... heading straight to the enemy's most dreaded TD: the Ferdinand (This was before we had US TDs in the game with their troll armor)... ding. How on Earth does a High Explosive shell just ding?

Anyway... I then started driving american medium tanks and, between their paper armor and poor shell penetration, I had to learn (well, I already knew, I just had to train it better) how to shoot at weak spots... and never rely on the gods of RNG... unless driving the KV-2 with its 152mm Howitzer gun... Like Jingles says, if you sacrifice enough dissidents to Stalin, you can just snapshot it and it goes in. Sort of works for any soviet vehicle. The undead hand of Stalin guides the shell to its target.


Then you have those awesome cases where one more shot and the guy's dead, on average.... you never get an average damage roll... the enemy always walks away with less than 10HP!... It's great when it happens to us, though! :p

There are always two teams on World of tanks and I'm always on the good team - the green one. (this is the connection to the thread's OP )

(June 5, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(June 5, 2015 at 10:28 am)Jenny A Wrote: Sorry, I must admit I am not seeking god.   Not your brand or any other.  You see things that exist, don't have to be sought out in this way.  You may have to search to find something, but the results aren't dependent truly wanting to find it.  The Higgs Boson particle for example was very difficult to find, but there were good reasons for thinking it existed, and finding it depended not on faith, but evidence.

Now, if god obviously existed, it might make sense to say you have to seek out an acquaintance with him in the ways you've suggested.  But that's not the case.  God appears to be findable only with pick your phrase:  an open heart; grace; contrition, etc.  We don't find real things by the dictates of our conscience.  That is simply a way of saying, you can only find him by fooling yourself.  Sorry, but I don't fool myself on purpose.  God either exists or he doesn't and my conscience has nothing to do with it.

And it's perfectly obvious that as a method of fooling yourself, ask, seek, find works really well.  You can use it to "find" Allah, that The Book of Mormon is true, Yahweh, Jesus, and messages from your dead grandmother.  The fact that things people find this way are culturally dependent, and contradictory ought to be fairly good evidence that as a method it's flawed.

Do you seek truth, Jenny?

Define "truth", please.

(June 5, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(June 5, 2015 at 2:46 pm)dyresand Wrote: Exactly i was talking with my group on wot we came to a conclusion awhile back. If you are getting good matches in general the system itself
punishes you i have tested this i quit playing the game for a straight week after i lost a match went back on won matches lost one. It's the system. 

Well, any sample size is going to be 1) biased and 2) insufficiently large.  But I get your point, in my case, the 85mm APCR pens 120-200 mm of armor.  Show me a t4 light that shouldn't get *wrecked* by that.  What's sick is even with that debacle, I was top gun for the team in scoring.  We rolled the map and I got hung up on 1v1 with a stupid scout.

I know how you feel doing no damage to a light tank shooting it with the Kv2 122mm derp gun.
It did nothing.