(June 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 11:38 am)TheMessiah Wrote: If anti-Feminists are blind, then I guess pro-Abortion people such as myself are ''blind''.

I'm sorry if it seemed I was calling your sensory abilities into doubt. It is your cognitive functioning which most concerns me.

Typical response expected from a religious nut.

(June 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm)Pyrrho Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 11:44 am)Saxmoof Wrote: To be Egalitarian is to be a Feminist

You're a Feminist, deal with it, you just don't like the label, it has negative connotations I get that, but be honest

He is not an egalitarian.  He does not go off on men who say stupid shit about women.  But if a few women who call themselves "feminists" say something stupid, he is ready to condemn all feminists.  (Many times, the woman-haters take things out of context, making it only seem like some woman said something stupid, but, of course, some women do actually say stupid things, just like men.)  And he is in denial of the facts about wage gaps, totally ignoring the way that they have been measured, and pretends that no one bothered to consider different jobs and different hours.  He is really a misogynist.

Further nonsense.

Read over my replies kid - I specifically said MRA's are bullshit whiners; neither Feminists nor MRA's escape my ridicule.

Furthermore, I did not ''deny'' the wage-gap; I said it's full of shit because....it is, men work longer hours, harder jobs and take less breaks; hence why there is a wage gap. If there is discrimination, prove it. The wage gap is a claim - it's up to you to say why discrimination it the answer.

Yet again, an accusation of ''misogyny''without a shred of proof - you have the word ''skeptic'' in your bio yet behave like a Creationist, without any evidence or creative thinking skills, can't say I'm surprised

If I truly hate women, as you claim without an iota of proof, then please feel free to provide - because if not, thanks for proving why Feminism acts like a religion; you do my job for me.

(June 6, 2015 at 12:28 pm)TheMessiah Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 12:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'm sorry if it seemed I was calling your sensory abilities into doubt.  It is your cognitive functioning which most concerns me.

Typical response expected from a religious nut.

Oh come on, you're not even going to give me style points?  Are you not amused???

(June 6, 2015 at 12:38 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 12:28 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: Typical response expected from a religious nut.

Oh come on, you're not even going to give me style points?  Are you not amused???

6/10

I wonder why "Equal protection under the law" = "Feminsim is no longer needed."

Minorities of many stripes have equal protection under the law, but that doesn't mean that they're equal from a cultural standpoint.  Saying, "whelp, you're equal now, it says so right on the paper, so you can all just quiet down now" is idiotic in the extreme.

Seriously, all TheMessiah has done in this thread is use the specious 'reasoning' I usually see attached to GamerGate people.  Which isn't a compliment.

(June 6, 2015 at 1:21 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I wonder why "Equal protection under the law" = "Feminsim is no longer needed."

Minorities of many stripes have equal protection under the law, but that doesn't mean that they're equal from a cultural standpoint.  Saying, "whelp, you're equal now, it says so right on the paper, so you can all just quiet down now" is idiotic in the extreme.

Seriously, all TheMessiah has done in this thread is use the specious 'reasoning' I usually see attached to GamerGate people.  Which isn't a compliment.

Firstly, GamerGate has nothing to do with this thread - if you want to talk about that, do so in another thread or elsewhere. This thread is about me

Secondly, yes, that means Feminism is no longer needed; Feminism becomes fractured when they begin to criticize culture - once legal equality has been achieved, different political ideologies take over; saying ''rape culture exists'' and ''manspreading is a problem'' etc begins to take dominance because there is no shared goal - years ago, Feminists of different political streams could band together to fight for common goal, this is no longer the case

You don't need the Feminist label to criticize aspects of a culture - I don't need the label of ''anti racist'' to criticize racist culture, in the 21st century western world, it's expected as part of our decent moral values; many people call out racism now, 50 years ago, the label ''anti racist'' was needed because racism was the norm.

It's why we see SJW's asserting their nonsense drivel and ''trigger warning'' bullshit, whereas right-wing Feminists also assert their drivel; neither can even agree on what constitutes as ''equality''

I'm a pro-feminism but not egalitarian - A weird position, but for the most part it's because I don't see a straight concept of egalitarianism being formulated. I can support feminism because it supports equality of women considering there is no scientific or cultural basis to put women in secondary roles or promote gender stereotypes... I don't actively support egalitarianism because it is a vague concept and I don't think everyone is truly equal - I think to some degree many people are equal in some circumstances, but we are not all equal. For some, egalitarianism means equality of result, for others it will mean equality of opportunity, for others it will mean legal equality. Until someone can explain me what it means, I can't support egalitarianism with a clear conscience. So yeah, you have a pro-feminism non-egalitarian

As for racism - I don't think anti-racism is unnecessary considering all cultures are still racist to some degree, including western ones.

Personally, I think chocolate is vastly over-rated both as a food and as a flavor.  Tyvm.

Boru

(June 6, 2015 at 12:30 pm)TheMessiah Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 12:05 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: He is not an egalitarian.  He does not go off on men who say stupid shit about women.  But if a few women who call themselves "feminists" say something stupid, he is ready to condemn all feminists.  (Many times, the woman-haters take things out of context, making it only seem like some woman said something stupid, but, of course, some women do actually say stupid things, just like men.)  And he is in denial of the facts about wage gaps, totally ignoring the way that they have been measured, and pretends that no one bothered to consider different jobs and different hours.  He is really a misogynist.

Further nonsense.

Read over my replies kid - I specifically said MRA's are bullshit whiners; neither Feminists nor MRA's escape my ridicule.

Furthermore, I did not ''deny'' the wage-gap; I said it's full of shit because....it is, men work longer hours, harder jobs and take less breaks; hence why there is a wage gap. If there is discrimination, prove it. The wage gap is a claim - it's up to you to say why discrimination it the answer.

Yet again, an accusation of ''misogyny''without a shred of proof - you have the word ''skeptic'' in your bio yet behave like a Creationist, without any evidence or creative thinking skills, can't say I'm surprised

If I truly hate women, as you claim without an iota of proof, then please feel free to provide - because if not, thanks for proving why Feminism acts like a religion; you do my job for me.

And yet you just say that, but your actions/words don't really back you up.  I don't see any ridicule, nor calling them a religion, nor did you start a thread titled "Ask and Anti-MRA guy".

Your words in this thread tell me you are an MRA.  There seems to be more than one thing that you are in denial about, here.
I've read this thread without commenting until now, but this "misogyny without a shred of proof" comment really got me.  You have denied the plight of females, outside of Islamic countries, repeatedly.  That in itself is misogyny.

I'm not a big feminist activist at all. As a matter of fact, I don't much think of the word at all.  I guess if I was asked, Are you one, yes or no, I would answer yes, but it is not an integral part of my identity.

 I do run a Girl Scout troop, and I do believe in empowering girls, especially in the STEM areas. But I also think girls should learn basic sewing, gardening and cooking skills.  Of course, I think all boys should learn those same skills....because everyone needs to learn to take care of themselves and keep a house up.

When I went to college, I was one of only 3 girls in an engineering class.  At work, same deal.  Lots of women in the front office, not so many in the back,  But that is changing and I'm glad for it. The wage gap exists, as do problems of women's voices not being taken seriously.  I've seen it, I've lived it.  

But now, I'm a SAHM, and my hobbies include sewing and cooking, and that's great too.  I don't believe in assigning gender roles or shaming people who enjoy things that are or are not part of those classic gender roles.  Women can program computers, men can be great stay at home dads.  People should be free to do what makes them happy without ridicule.  Feminism was and is necessary to even allow girls access to some of those fields.  I guess this makes me part of a religious movement in your eyes. 

Anyway, I know I'm talking to a brick wall here, but I just  had to put in my 2c before this thread implodes. 

Keep on making friends here at AF! 

(June 6, 2015 at 1:33 pm)TheMessiah Wrote:

(June 6, 2015 at 1:21 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I wonder why "Equal protection under the law" = "Feminsim is no longer needed."

Minorities of many stripes have equal protection under the law, but that doesn't mean that they're equal from a cultural standpoint.  Saying, "whelp, you're equal now, it says so right on the paper, so you can all just quiet down now" is idiotic in the extreme.

Seriously, all TheMessiah has done in this thread is use the specious 'reasoning' I usually see attached to GamerGate people.  Which isn't a compliment.

Firstly, GamerGate has nothing to do with this thread - if you want to talk about that, do so in another thread or elsewhere. This thread is about me

~snip~

Oooooh, I thought this thread was about anti-feminism?  Yes, your views on it, but that is the topic, not YOU.

Now I think I understand the whole fucking problem.  Not just a misogynist, total narcissist.