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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 1, 2015 at 1:11 pm
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It is, huge...massive..gargantuan. Could I clarify? No, not for the life of me. The furthest I could take you is the statement that a computer clearly does not have a human mind.....but, neither does a dog...so../shrugs
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 1, 2015 at 4:54 pm
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(June 1, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It is, huge...massive..gargantuan. Could I clarify? No, not for the life of me. The furthest I could take you is the statement that a computer clearly does not have a human mind.....but, neither does a dog...so../shrugs
So, do you think the human mind is something different or just a variation of the same kind of thing we'd call a dog mind. For example, an iPad and Watson do not have the same programming, but they are both just computers in the end. It's just a matter of bells and whistles on the backend.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 1, 2015 at 4:57 pm
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A variation of the same thing we'd call a dog mind. Biological implementations of broader principle.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 5, 2015 at 12:16 am
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(June 1, 2015 at 4:54 pm)wallym Wrote: (June 1, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It is, huge...massive..gargantuan. Could I clarify? No, not for the life of me. The furthest I could take you is the statement that a computer clearly does not have a human mind.....but, neither does a dog...so../shrugs
So, do you think the human mind is something different or just a variation of the same kind of thing we'd call a dog mind. For example, an iPad and Watson do not have the same programming, but they are both just computers in the end. It's just a matter of bells and whistles on the backend.
(June 1, 2015 at 4:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: A variation of the same thing we'd call a dog mind. Biological implementations of broader principle.
Absolutely. Obviously. The human mind wouldn't work if it didn't incorporate a standard mammal brain. Our mammal brain too is dependent on our reptilian brain. I can't prove any of that but I offer it sincerely as an unsupported assertion. (You're welcome.)
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 6, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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Hehehe, your contribution is noted, and thank you. I don't think that we expect anyone here to be a leader in their field, with a laundry list of publications behind them. We aren;t breaking mind open, we're discussing the folk concept(s) of mind. For that, you are fully and unequivocally qualified.
(We could start printing out certificates..you and I...lol. "Fully Qualified™*, *as vetted by randoms on the web")
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 6, 2015 at 5:50 pm
There'd need to be a small, nominal fee of course but yes. A good idea and one that fills a real need.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 6, 2015 at 6:08 pm
A one-celled animal can 'choose' between food or poison. I think our 'free will' is no more advanced than that, only more complex.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm
(June 6, 2015 at 6:08 pm)IATIA Wrote: A one-celled animal can 'choose' between food or poison. I think our 'free will' is no more advanced than that, only more complex.
The presumed difference is that a one-celled animal doesn't have the ability to imagine.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 7, 2015 at 12:36 am
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Euglenids. The notion that "simple life" does not have imagination, more particularly that the notion is ludicrous on it's face - is the presumption not that we, for example, can imagine....whilst they cannot, but that "imagining" is some -other-. That it is not a system in motion. That there is -more-.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
June 7, 2015 at 1:01 am
(June 7, 2015 at 12:36 am)Rhythm Wrote: Euglenids. The notion that "simple life" does not have imagination, more particularly that the notion is ludicrous on it's face - is the presumption not that we, for example, can imagine....whilst they cannot, but that "imagining" is some -other-. That it is not a system in motion. That there is -more-.
My point is that in the exercise of will, we are comparing our environment, which is objective, which some vision of self or of rightness, which is objective. Any animal which cannot establish ideas cannot need to mediate between those ideas and its environment when determining how to act.
That being said, I'm not so sure that something as simple as a fly, which can learn, doesn't have some experience of that which is learned as it attempts to navigate its environment.
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