(September 3, 2008 at 11:29 am)Tiberius Wrote: What I mean though is that "prayer" to an atheist is simply thinking to yourself about certain problems. It isn't a conversation with God because we do not believe on exists. It is therefore thinking to yourself.

So you're saying the voice in your head is talking to you is prayer while Christians are using that voice to talk to something else?

And how do you know Christians pray to solve problems? I've talked to them they mostly just praise him. And I'm not doing that.

Brick-top actually that voice in your head is you practicing a little bit of inward reflection.Prayer in the traditional christian sense also falls under the category of worship or as you said praise.The Christian god loves to have himself reminded by his worshippers how great and powerful and merciful he is etc. etc.The more charismatic groups of Christianity use prayer also to ask their god for guidance in many mundane and worldly affairs.

In fact christians are encouraged through the scriptures to pray to their god and ask for his assistance in spiritual and worldly affairs.

Matthew 21:22:

22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Matthew 11:28-30 encourages you to place your burdens on the Lord

28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

(September 4, 2008 at 9:12 pm)Brick-top Wrote:

(September 3, 2008 at 11:29 am)Tiberius Wrote: What I mean though is that "prayer" to an atheist is simply thinking to yourself about certain problems. It isn't a conversation with God because we do not believe on exists. It is therefore thinking to yourself.

So you're saying the voice in your head is talking to you is prayer while Christians are using that voice to talk to something else?

And how do you know Christians pray to solve problems? I've talked to them they mostly just praise him. And I'm not doing that.

I think the difference should be noted between praying and worship. I think of prayer as asking God for something, whereas worship is the general "thanks for the world, thanks for allowing us to bash gays" etc. When a person is out of a job, broke, they pray to God to ask what to do. It is then that they come up with some scheme to get money. It wasn't God that gave them the idea, it was simply thinking about it that did it.

Yoke?? Can anyone tell me what that is supposed to mean before we jump to eggy conclusions?

yoke [ yōk ]


noun (plural yokes)

Definition:

1. animal harness: a wooden frame for harnessing two draft animals to whatever they had to pull

Thank you

You are welcome Boulat I hope that clears that up for you.

(September 4, 2008 at 9:41 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Brick-top actually that voice in your head is you practicing a little bit of inward reflection.

Hmmm...lets see......

"my balls are itchy, that looks shiny, I really need a piss"

Yep, inward reflection.

lmao inward reflection

(September 6, 2008 at 10:07 am)chatpilot Wrote: lmao inward reflection

Indipendant thought doesn't consititute prayer.