Since we are on church and state tell me this. Why the fuck is this on my money?

(June 24, 2015 at 8:52 pm)KUSA Wrote: Since we are on church and state tell me this. Why the fuck is this on my money?

I think they should replace GOD with THE SUPREME BEING. God is just too controversial of a word. /jk. it would be a good start though.

Looks like it states: need to submit a combination of documents as secondary evidence such as..... I don't think the US government will accept just/only church documents as evidence, at least not the government I've dealt with. Appears to me that they are recognizing any church as a record keeper, nothing more.

(June 24, 2015 at 9:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Looks like it states: need to submit a combination of documents as secondary evidence such as..... I don't think the US government will accept just/only church documents as evidence, at least not the government I've dealt with. Appears to me that they are recognizing any church as a record keeper, nothing more.

Lets say that a nonreligious family only has early school records of their child, and that's not enough to get a passport.

Lets say that a religious family has the same early school records as the nonreligious family, but also has religious records. Should that child be given a passport while the other child is denied a passport?

Are you doing something about this seeming injustice, das?

(June 24, 2015 at 9:16 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Are you doing something about this seeming injustice, das?

Spreading awareness. I wasn't aware of this before. Were you?

(June 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm)das_atheist Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 9:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Looks like it states: need to submit a combination of documents as secondary evidence such as..... I don't think the US government will accept just/only church documents as evidence, at least not the government I've dealt with. Appears to me that they are recognizing any church as a record keeper, nothing more.

Lets say that a nonreligious family only has early school records of their child, and that's not enough to get a passport.

Lets say that a religious family has the same early school records as the nonreligious family, but also has religious records. Should that child be given a passport while the other child is denied a passport?

You will have to ask the government. My personal opinion would be no, neither of these cases would satisfy the burden of proof. It would take additional documentation (oh shit, I'm starting to think like them).

(June 24, 2015 at 8:58 pm)das_atheist Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 8:52 pm)KUSA Wrote: Since we are on church and state tell me this. Why the fuck is this on my money?

I think they should replace GOD with THE SUPREME BEING. God is just too controversial of a word. /jk. it would be a good start though.

I would rather see this.

(June 24, 2015 at 9:18 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm)das_atheist Wrote: Lets say that a nonreligious family only has early school records of their child, and that's not enough to get a passport.

Lets say that a religious family has the same early school records as the nonreligious family, but also has religious records. Should that child be given a passport while the other child is denied a passport?

You will have to ask the government. My personal opinion would be no, neither of these cases would satisfy the burden of proof. It would take additional documentation (oh shit, I'm starting to think like them).

The question is, would there be a case where a religious record would tip the scales in favor of getting a passport? My guess is yes, otherwise they wouldn't ask for it.

(June 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm)das_atheist Wrote:

(June 24, 2015 at 9:00 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Looks like it states: need to submit a combination of documents as secondary evidence such as..... I don't think the US government will accept just/only church documents as evidence, at least not the government I've dealt with. Appears to me that they are recognizing any church as a record keeper, nothing more.

Lets say that a nonreligious family only has early school records of their child, and that's not enough to get a passport.

Lets say that a religious family has the same early school records as the nonreligious family, but also has religious records. Should that child be given a passport while the other child is denied a passport?

If the child doesn't have a birth certificate, there are plenty of combinations the government will accept, including religious ones. For children whose parents are unbelievers, what would you suggest replace the religious records? Are you saying that shouldn't be an option for anyone at all?

I guess I really don't understand what the problem is, here (save for the family Bible thing... wut???). As someone who is going through some gnarly immigration stuff (trying to get my Australian boyfriend to the US), it's actually rather nice to see more options instead of less for people trying to obtain a passport.