(June 25, 2015 at 12:06 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So where does evidence come in?

From God where else, it's a personal relationship, God deals with each one who accepts his Son in ways that benefit them.

GC

(June 25, 2015 at 9:06 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 11:27 am)Crossless1 Wrote: So do you think it's more likely that the resurrected Jesus did not bother to make an appearance to those religious leaders who had denied his claims and who allegedly set in motion the events leading to his death and resurrection, or that he did make such an appearance to them and they refused to believe their own eyes just to preserve their gig?  Neither strikes me as plausible, even in terms of fictional literature.

Nothing well satisfy an atheist when it comes to the resurrection of Christ. Jesus resurrection was to show those who would be the ministers of His life and teachings, Jesus knew the hearts of those who had Him crucified, they like most people would want to hide the fact they had just been made to look foolish. Yes I believe the ones responsible would want to continue on the path they had, these men had it made within the Roman empires rule, there positions meant easy living. They also were not looking for the Christ God had always planed, they wanted a warlord on earth, not a redeemer in heaven.

GC

Yes, well it was a warlord that god promiced in the OT.  You can hardly blame them for expecting what was actually promised as opposed to something entirely different regardless of what god had "planed."

(June 25, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 7:59 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: "...do for the Acts of the Apostles"? or "do to the Acts of the Apostles what the Jesus Seminar did [to] the Jesus tradition."?

Just one more hatchet job.

So, why do you think that an out of hand dismissal is any sort of a rebuttal?

For the same reason that climate changers dismiss scientists who dispute the argument that humans are responsible for global warming.

For the same reason we dismiss holocaust deniers.

For the same reason we dismiss people who claim man never landed on the moon.

For the same reason we dismiss people who claim that (insert conspiracy here) was responsible for 9/11.

And because the Jesus Seminar has no credibility among legitimate New Testament scholars.

There's not much to be gained from arguing with the lunatic fringe. It is time wasted.

(June 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must not pay much attention to what's going on in the world, it's money, wealth, things, all the things Satan would have use to pay attention to, why, so we will be distracted from God. He pulled this on Eve, he told he of the great wealth of knowledge she would gain, again and again greed.

GC

That's a very profound and sobering thought. Do you want to tell these guys:











or shall I?

(June 25, 2015 at 3:51 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 12:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christianity is about faith in what Jesus has done for us, then we come to understand through belief as revealed by God, so that we can know for certain the truth of Christ our savior.

GC

Seems to me that we wouldn't need saving if your god did a better job baby proofing Eden, or didn't throw a hissy fit after the inevitable happened.

You surely lack in any understanding of the Genesis account, sad, very sad.

GC

(June 25, 2015 at 5:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 11:01 am)Godschild Wrote: This is proof of what, maybe your ability not to be able to distinguish reality from the movie screen.

GC

This too is what we call irony.

Also a missed point; I suspect and hope deliberately. The same "minimal facts" that Habermas uses to prove his case can also be used to prove Star Wars. I'm not on the same bottom-feeding level as you to make a judgement call on the ability of Habermas, Randy and you to tell reality from fantasy the way you, a xtian, feel the need to do to me.

I couldn't care less what you believe and for the matter of believing the resurrection I do not need Habermas, nor do you, God is sufficient.

GC

You and I obviously set the bar on what constitutes sufficient at polar opposites.

I could care less about appeals to authority regardless of Christian or Atheist stance Randy. I care about about where the evidence points. Grabbing a few quotes from the Internet and throwing them into a whirlpool of information does nothing to dispute the evidence.

(June 25, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 3:51 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Seems to me that we wouldn't need saving if your god did a better job baby proofing Eden, or didn't throw a hissy fit after the inevitable happened.

You surely lack in any understanding of the Genesis account, sad, very sad.

GC

So, god didn't:

Put the Tree of Knowledge in an easy-to-reach place?
Do a piss poor job of explaining why it should be avoided?
Create the serpent who tempted Eve?
Decided the only fit punishment wasn't just to exile Adam and Eve, but curse the entire species?

Face it, it's an idiotic story, one which only highlights how juvenile the myth is.  Any person with a brain knows to put things out of reach of children, which is what Adam and Eve essentially were in their naivety.  The supreme being really aught to have had the foresight to not put his precious Tree of Knowledge in the same room as them if it was so important.

(June 25, 2015 at 9:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(June 25, 2015 at 8:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: You must not pay much attention to what's going on in the world, it's money, wealth, things, all the things Satan would have use to pay attention to, why, so we will be distracted from God. He pulled this on Eve, he told he of the great wealth of knowledge she would gain, again and again greed.

GC

That's a very profound and sobering thought. Do you want to tell these guys:

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or shall I?

Don't forget: