(June 27, 2015 at 1:54 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote:

(June 27, 2015 at 1:47 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh awesome... Another believer in the con of Fátima.
There was no miracle of the sun.
Three uneducated kids were conned into thinking they were seeing an apparition.

Have you ever noticed how the messages that came out of that event were geared to getting Portugal on the non-communist side of world war 1?
It worked: by the 1930s, we had a fascist regime set in...which lasted until 1974.

I would urge you to read more of the accounts of the Miracle of the Sun. A huge crowd gathered to see a miracle that was promised to the three children and their faith was indeed rewarded, that many people could not simply have been duped considering they all saw the same thing.

Did it occur to you that this event may have saved Portugal from the secularism that spread across the rest of Europe. United under one strong Catholic leader Portugal saw a golden age of Catholicism under Salazar. It may have been the highest point of Portuguese history.

I urge you to learn some Portuguese if you're going to want to read about it.
In the mean time, I was born in Portugal, so I don't have to learn it.
The earliest recorded account of the "miracle" was given by a reporter allegedly present at the event who didn't see anything, but got a few reports of people seeing something... A few... out of hundreds who were expecting something.
You'd do well to learn about psychology and how bias works.

Also, Salazar kept this country in the dark ages while the rest of the world was advancing the 20th century. There's a mentality delay of some 40 years thanks to him.
There's also the spectre of "communists eat babies for breakfast" still lurking in this people due to all the propaganda that regime instilled into us. In other countries, atheists ate babies... It's like they all learn their propaganda techniques from each other... And apply it to their perceived enemies.

The highest point of Portuguese history was a few centuries earlier... When slavery was ok. :p

(June 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: For willfully rejecting him of your own free will. You have chosen to think negatively of your creator, if you wish to continue drinking the poision he won't stop you, but prepare to suffer the consequences for doing so.

So you acknowledge that it's basically 'my way or the highway'.

And you're content with this controlling, self-obsessed, tyrannical overlord?

If you believe the Church in Rome has fallen into error and the pontiff is a communist, why have you taken to the SSPX?

The Orthodox Churches, particularly that of Greece have claimed for well over a thousand years that the Pope and all his followers are heretics. I'm curious why you sided with Lefebvreites and not the Orthodox Patriarch who has been saying the same thing for much longer.

I've been reading his posts and from the terms he's using he may well be the genuine article guys, they do come out with this sort of stuff. Either that or it's Randy trying to make himself look more reasonable.

(June 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: You know, Randy is conspicuously absent lately.....

I noticed that he wasn't here. Interesting.

I don't know a lot about traditional Catholicism. Do they not see the current pope as legitimate? If not, who is the real pope?

(June 27, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(June 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: For willfully rejecting him of your own free will. You have chosen to think negatively of your creator, if you wish to continue drinking the poision he won't stop you, but prepare to suffer the consequences for doing so.

So you acknowledge that it's basically 'my way or the highway'.

And you're content with this controlling, self-obsessed, tyrannical overlord?

If you create something, you hold all rights of ownership and control over it correct? It is no different with God, he owns all creation therefore it is his to do with whatever he pleases. Thankfully in his mercy what he pleases is what is best for us.

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(June 27, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Metis Wrote: If you believe the Church in Rome has fallen into error and the pontiff is a communist, why have you taken to the SSPX?

The Orthodox Churches, particularly that of Greece have claimed for well over a thousand years that the Pope and all his followers are heretics. I'm curious why you sided with Lefebvreites and not the Orthodox Patriarch who has been saying the same thing for much longer.

I've been reading his posts and from the terms he's using he may well be the genuine article guys, they do come out with this sort of stuff. Either that or it's Randy trying to make himself look more reasonable.

The Pope may be a heretic but he has not taught anything from his office as Peter to demonstrate that the Office of Peter itself has fallen into error. Christ himself promised the gates of hell would not prevail over his church.

Vatican II was not a council of the Catholic Church as the procedure for councils was not followed. The Vatican may be presently hijacked by heretics but the Catholic Church remains undefiled.

(June 27, 2015 at 2:24 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: If you create something, you hold all rights of ownership and control over it correct?

So again, you're fine with being a slave.

Good to know, now I know you have no spine or integrity, I can avoid you in the future

Quote:It is no different with God, he owns all creation therefore it is his to do with whatever he pleases. Thankfully in his mercy what he pleases is what is best for us.

I guess you gain pleasure out of sucking the dick of your imaginary overlord as well as being fine with being his little bitch.

(June 27, 2015 at 2:17 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Also, Salazar kept this country in the dark ages while the rest of the world was advancing the 20th century. There's a mentality delay of some 40 years thanks to him.
There's also the spectre of "communists eat babies for breakfast" still lurking in this people due to all the propaganda that regime instilled into us. In other countries, atheists ate babies... It's like they all learn their propaganda techniques from each other... And apply it to their perceived enemies.

The highest point of Portuguese history was a few centuries earlier... When slavery was ok. :p

Exactly, I think that is a wonderful legacy. Portugal has managed to resist much of the evils of modern liberalism and retains closer ties to Catholic teaching than most other European States.

As for your final comment I don't see anything wrong with slavery. The condemnation of slavery was also part of the heretical Vatican II council. The Catholic Church does not condemn slavery, in fact it is useful. Both to us and for the condemned party, it is kinder to enslave a pagan and grant him time to repent than to kill him outright.

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(June 27, 2015 at 2:33 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(June 27, 2015 at 2:24 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: If you create something, you hold all rights of ownership and control over it correct?

So again, you're fine with being a slave.

Good to know, now I know you have no spine or integrity, I can avoid you in the future

Quote:It is no different with God, he owns all creation therefore it is his to do with whatever he pleases. Thankfully in his mercy what he pleases is what is best for us.

I guess you gain pleasure out of sucking the dick of your imaginary overlord as well as being fine with being his little bitch.

God is neither male nor female. We address him as a male due to his appearance as Christ and from his commands in the scriptures.

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(June 27, 2015 at 2:20 pm)Nope Wrote:

(June 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: You know, Randy is conspicuously absent lately.....

I noticed that he wasn't here. Interesting.

I don't know a lot about traditional Catholicism. Do they not see the current pope as legitimate? If not, who is the real pope?

The Pope is legitimate, those who do not believe Francis is the Pope are known as Sedevacantists. They're very rare and usually shunned in traditionalist circles, they certainly are within the SSPX. It is grounds for excommunication.

Unless Francis is declaring something as an infallible teaching or a Dogma for all Catholics, he can be wrong. We in the SSPX see this, as Vatican II was neither infallible nor a council of the Catholic Church.

(June 27, 2015 at 2:33 pm)PiousPaladin Wrote: God is neither male nor female. We address him as a male due to his appearance as Christ and from his commands in the scriptures.

That's nice dear.

I can't believe the other Christian posters haven't pounced on this one yet.

Allright, who the fuck stole the hammer?