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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 8:09 am
(June 30, 2015 at 4:05 am)Neimenovic Wrote: This is the full context of what you wrote, Randy
(June 28, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The goal of killing heretics was not simply to enjoy their suffering, was it? No.
The idea was that those who led others into spiritual error endangered their eternal souls. Thus, while a murderer merely ends the temporal life of the person he kills, the heretic ends the eternal life of his "victims".
Thus, harming someone for eternity is worse than harming someone for this life only.
I do not agree with this, but I can understand the logic of it.
Where you explicitly state that you understand why heretics were burned at the stake. It doesn't matter if you 'agree' with it, you said you understand why they did it.
Then what don't you understand about their rationale?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 8:14 am
It makes no sense.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:09 am
Do I get an apology, Randy? Did I misrepresent your position?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:18 am
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(June 30, 2015 at 9:09 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Do I get an apology, Randy? Did I misrepresent your position?
I apologize.
I thought the three of you were saying that I AGREE with killing heretics, but you did correctly say that I understand it.
Now, my question: Don't you understand the logic of it - even if you don't agree with it?
Analogy: A man with an AK-47 takes several dozen people hostage in a crowded shopping mall. He's not going to surrender peacefully. People WILL die. But a sniper has a clean shot that will take him out with no innocent people killed.
Does he take the shot?
If a heretic leads people into eternal damnation, has he not done those souls more harm than the gunmen at the mall?
BTW - why is PiousPaladin's name written in a strikeout font?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:22 am
Nope. I do not.
And she was banned because she was a Poe and did not cooperate with staff once she revealed it.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:23 am
She was also a sock account who made another sock account to tell us how stupid we are.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:25 am
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(June 30, 2015 at 8:09 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Then what don't you understand about their rationale?
The mere fact that they were raving lunatics. If you bothered to look up the transcripts of the actual trials, it would be abundantly clear. So in a way I understand their rationale, but it's everything else but rational.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:29 am
Killing heretics is more akin to loads of people shouting, "Look, he's got a gun!" and the sniper taking him out without any evidence he does actually have a gun.
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:30 am
(June 30, 2015 at 9:22 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Nope. I do not.
And she was banned because she was a Poe and did not cooperate with staff once she revealed it.
What's a poe and did you see the analogy I added to my post?
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RE: Ask a Traditional Catholic
June 30, 2015 at 9:32 am
Or... more accurately: "He's going to think about a gun! Shoot him!"
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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