(July 1, 2015 at 8:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Can you at least agree with the following? (please notice the conditional "if")

If God exists and if He is capable of creating all things out of nothing (which is not a thing itself), then He would have no problem whatsoever suspending the laws of the physical universe to suit His own needs whenever He wanted to do so.

Yes or no?

Weren't you just whimpering like a gerbil being fucked by a mule crying 'presupposition'? And now you trot out this fucking IF bullshit. Please notice that I'm not using any conditional "if".

You have proven yourself to be unreasonable. Every argument you make presupposes two things: 1. God exists and 2. God is responsible for the content of The Bible. You are incapable of demonstrating either of these; therefore, every argument you have ever made in this forum is demonstrably without justification. You can believe it all you wish, but you have absolutely no grounds for expecting anyone else to take you seriously or extend any sound argument from these premises.

Your constant deluge of epistemologically unjustified vomit is tiresome. All you do is preach. Are you so fucking vapid that you don't realize that your Bible is the claim and not the evidence?

Fucking converts man, sanctimonious pricks. My brother grew up a 'normal' Catholic, but when he turned Mormon...whoa, watch the fuck out. I'd rather deal with someone directly descended from Joseph Smith than my convert brother. A five generation legacy Mormon will at least give you the courtesy of a downturned chin and a shake of the head to give an understanding that their belief comes off as a bit loony (despite their conviction), but a convert will foam at the mouth wanting to kick the shit out of you to prove his true Mormonism street cred. This is what your boisterous peacock preaching reminds me of.

You have nothing. Absolutely nothing.

(July 1, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: There is evidence, Neimenovic, and I have presented quite a bit of it in various threads.

However, it's inconvenient, so you ignore it. I get it.

I've read all of your threads. Your standard of good evidence is critically low.

I told you. Let's play pretend the bible is 100% reliable, the gospels were eyewitnesses accounts and Jesus definitely existed as a real person.

That does NOTHING for you and your claims.

I want real, tangible evidence you have to support that the notion of original sin and baptism has any bearing on physical reality other than the psychological harm it might cause-which you deny, anyway.

Put up or shut up, you know?

(July 2, 2015 at 4:10 am)Neimenovic Wrote:

(July 1, 2015 at 8:26 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: There is evidence, Neimenovic, and I have presented quite a bit of it in various threads.

However, it's inconvenient, so you ignore it. I get it.

I've read all of your threads. Your standard of good evidence is critically low.

I told you. Let's play pretend the bible is 100% reliable, the gospels were eyewitnesses accounts and Jesus definitely existed as a real person.

Okay. Was Jesus crucified? Did he die? Was he buried in a tomb? Did he rise from the dead? Did he appear to his disciples? And is he God?

Quote:That does NOTHING for you and your claims.

I want real, tangible evidence you have to support that the notion of original sin and baptism has any bearing on physical reality other than the psychological harm it might cause-which you deny, anyway.

Put up or shut up, you know?

Getting obstinate people to agree that Jesus was a real person is just one step in a painfully slow process.

(July 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Okay. Was Jesus crucified? Did he die? Was he buried in a tomb? Did he rise from the dead? Did he appear to his disciples? And is he God?

Yes, yes, yes, no, no, ffs no.

Quote:Getting obstinate people to agree that Jesus was a real person is just one step in a painfully slow process.

Oh for fuck's sake.

Omnipotent, omnipresent being that cares what I think about it, but providing evidence for its exchange is a painfully slow process?

Do you realize how fucking insane that sounds?

I'll repeat my request. Give me solid, tangible, real world evidence that the notion of baptism and original sin has any bearing on physical reality.

Quote:Weren't you just whimpering like a gerbil being fucked by a mule crying 'presupposition'?

That's great.  What an image!

(July 3, 2015 at 4:16 pm)Neimenovic Wrote:

(July 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Okay. Was Jesus crucified? Did he die? Was he buried in a tomb? Did he rise from the dead? Did he appear to his disciples? And is he God?

Yes, yes, yes, no, no, ffs no.

Quote:Getting obstinate people to agree that Jesus was a real person is just one step in a painfully slow process.

Oh for fuck's sake.

Omnipotent, omnipresent being that cares what I think about it, but providing evidence for its exchange is a painfully slow process?

Do you realize how fucking insane that sounds?

I'll repeat my request. Give me solid, tangible, real world evidence that the notion of baptism and original sin has any bearing on physical reality.

Don't get too comfortable, my friend. God may yet surprise you. On 23 November 1654, between 10:30 and 12:30 at night, Blaise Pascal had an intense religious vision and immediately recorded the experience in a brief note to himself:

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The year of grace 1654, Monday, 23 November, feast of St. Clement, pope and martyr, and others in the martyrology.
Vigil of St. Chrysogonus, martyr, and others.
From about half past ten at night until about half past midnight,

FIRE.

GOD of Abraham, GOD of Isaac, GOD of Jacob
not of the philosophers and of the learned.
Certitude. Certitude. Feeling. Joy. Peace.
GOD of Jesus Christ.
My God and your God.
Your GOD will be my God.
Forgetfulness of the world and of everything, except GOD.
He is only found by the ways taught in the Gospel.
Grandeur of the human soul.
Righteous Father, the world has not known you, but I have known you.
Joy, joy, joy, tears of joy.
I have departed from him:
They have forsaken me, the fount of living water.
My God, will you leave me?
Let me not be separated from him forever.
This is eternal life, that they know you, the one true God, and the one that you sent, Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ.
I left him; I fled him, renounced, crucified.
Let me never be separated from him.
He is only kept securely by the ways taught in the Gospel:
Renunciation, total and sweet.
Complete submission to Jesus Christ and to my director.
Eternally in joy for a day's exercise on the earth.
May I not forget your words. Amen.


He seems to have carefully sewn this document into his coat and always transferred it when he changed clothes; a servant discovered it only by chance after his death. This piece is now known as the Memorial.

And that proves..?

(July 3, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And that proves..?

Nothing in your mind.

But my point was that God does not ALWAYS act in a "painfully slow" manner when revealing Himself to us.

Of course, Pascal's experience which led to his writing the memorial could have had to do with his brain lesions.

Boru

(July 3, 2015 at 8:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 3, 2015 at 7:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And that proves..?

Nothing in your mind.

But my point was that God does not ALWAYS act in a "painfully slow" manner when revealing Himself to us.

Why the "in your mind" shit? Are you completely incapable of honest discussion? I ask again: what does posting an experience recorded by someone in the 17th century prove, other than he had an experience he felt worth recording?