(July 10, 2015 at 2:28 pm)Dystopia Wrote: I do agree as a general rule at least because two parents provide more financial support and generally because both parents work it's possible to always have someone taking care of the kid as long as you schedule things correctly. I don't have anything against single parenting though, I was raised from age 11 just with my mom, and yeah it was a lot thougher than before, but I survived.

Haha, thanks for finally being someone who agrees on something that seems pretty basic to me!

And of course, I agree with what you said about not having anything against single parents.

I don't think the current 'family' concepts are any good.
I don't think we should have as many kids, anyway.
I think society should become more rational so as to be able to coexist rationally. Then, I'm sure, there won't be any need for any "families". People would find a better way to nurture their young than just giving them up to the "natural parents", as there would be no reason to do so. Also, I assume that we'll be able to reproduce artificially in the future, so there won't be any need at all for any kind of this nonsense. And another thing: if we'll manage do extend our life spans indefinitely, somehow, then we would just stop having kids altogether, as it would just become catastrophic to continue having kids in such an environment. That is, until we would figure out how to reach other viable planets, or Terraform Mars, and colonize them, or something like that.

I missed my dad because of the financial support it provided me - Child alimony was not the same as having the full salary available - I went trough some rough times, it was just me, my mom and my sister. Of course, some single parents can provide a lot of stability, financial support and love, but it's always easier if you have two people doing the work - And I say two people because normally these are the biological parents.

A hard question:

Essentially, when you get married (just two people) you can have kids if it's a heterosexual couple, and then the law provides all the authority, rights and duties you have with your children, not to mention you have full legal supervision until they are 18 years old (and in some States 21) - Part of this stems from the fact the parents are biological - Legally, there is a preference given to biological parents, and withing marriage both have equal rights and duties for their children - But, but... Let's imagine a less complicated scenario and say there are just three people getting married, that's cool - Two of them are of the opposite sex and have a kid, so the kid is born and obviously the law operates automatic custody and all the legal rights and duties between parents and children - What about the other person? I mean, in marriage you're not supposed to discriminate against people, and as a general rule if you get married and have kids both have equal rights, so how do we deal with this? can we violate the principle that both parties are equal? Because the custody and rights comes from the fact the child is biologically yours - Adopted children, in any legal system in the west, are not treated the same as biological ones, even in cases where parents totally suck, the rights of the tutor are never exactly as wide as of a biological parent, so how can we justify that one of the parties in the contract has less rights?

(July 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think the current 'family' concepts are any good.
I don't think we should have as many kids, anyway.
I think society should become more rational so as to be able to coexist rationally. Then, I'm sure, there won't be any need for any "families". People would find a better way to nurture their young than just giving them up to the "natural parents", as there would be no reason to do so. Also, I assume that we'll be able to reproduce artificially in the future, so there won't be any need at all for any kind of this nonsense. And another thing: if we'll manage do extend our life spans indefinitely, somehow, then we would just stop having kids altogether, as it would just become catastrophic to continue having kids in such an environment. That is, until we would figure out how to reach other viable planets, or Terraform Mars, and colonize them, or something like that.

What you think is not really relevant if you don't present an objectively valid reason for it.

(July 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think the current 'family' concepts are any good.
I don't think we should have as many kids, anyway.
I think society should become more rational so as to be able to coexist rationally. Then, I'm sure, there won't be any need for any "families". People would find a better way to nurture their young than just giving them up to the "natural parents", as there would be no reason to do so. Also, I assume that we'll be able to reproduce artificially in the future, so there won't be any need at all for any kind of this nonsense. And another thing: if we'll manage do extend our life spans indefinitely, somehow, then we would just stop having kids altogether, as it would just become catastrophic to continue having kids in such an environment. That is, until we would figure out how to reach other viable planets, or Terraform Mars, and colonize them, or something like that.

What you think is not really relevant if you don't present an objectively valid reason for it.

What's your fucking problem, idiot?

(July 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think the current 'family' concepts are any good.
I don't think we should have as many kids, anyway.
I think society should become more rational so as to be able to coexist rationally. Then, I'm sure, there won't be any need for any "families". People would find a better way to nurture their young than just giving them up to the "natural parents", as there would be no reason to do so. Also, I assume that we'll be able to reproduce artificially in the future, so there won't be any need at all for any kind of this nonsense. And another thing: if we'll manage do extend our life spans indefinitely, somehow, then we would just stop having kids altogether, as it would just become catastrophic to continue having kids in such an environment. That is, until we would figure out how to reach other viable planets, or Terraform Mars, and colonize them, or something like that.

What you think is not really relevant if you don't present an objectively valid reason for it.

agreed.

(July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: What you think is not really relevant if you don't present an objectively valid reason for it.

agreed.

Get the fuck out of here, you crazy bitch. You asked me forty times already what do I think about this and now my opinion is not relevant? What the actual fuck?!
What is this? I am not allowed to state my opinions all of a sudden?

I might be a bit cranky but this is just outrageous. Gtfo. If you don't consider people's opinions relevant than don't force them out of them for halves of hours at a time.

(July 10, 2015 at 2:41 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: I don't think the current 'family' concepts are any good.
I don't think we should have as many kids, anyway.
I think society should become more rational so as to be able to coexist rationally. Then, I'm sure, there won't be any need for any "families". People would find a better way to nurture their young than just giving them up to the "natural parents", as there would be no reason to do so. Also, I assume that we'll be able to reproduce artificially in the future, so there won't be any need at all for any kind of this nonsense. And another thing: if we'll manage do extend our life spans indefinitely, somehow, then we would just stop having kids altogether, as it would just become catastrophic to continue having kids in such an environment. That is, until we would figure out how to reach other viable planets, or Terraform Mars, and colonize them, or something like that.

Can you answer my questions directly from my post #142? Thanks! :

(or if you'd like I can make another post asking for clarifications again, but I think if you just answered the one I already made clearly and directly it would be quicker and more efficient.)

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(July 10, 2015 at 2:48 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: agreed.

Get the fuck out of here, you crazy bitch. You asked me forty times already what do I think about this and now my opinion is not relevant? What the actual fuck?!
What is this? I am not allowed to state my opinions all of a sudden?

I am sorry you're so upset, and sincerely apologize for having upset you.

I asked you direct questions in my post 142, and I feel as though, instead of answering them, you just repeated what you had already said. If you want me to fully understand where you are coming from, can you directly address my questions? I am still in need those answers in order to better understand your views.

However, if you do not want me to understand and do not want to have this discussion with me, I will respect your wishes and drop the subject. Thank you.

(July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Dystopia Wrote: What you think is not really relevant if you don't present an objectively valid reason for it.

What's your fucking problem, idiot?

Go fuck yourself cunt.

(July 10, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Can you answer my questions directly from my post #142? Thanks! :

(or if you'd like I can make another post asking for clarifications again, but I think if you just answered the one I already made clearly and directly it would be quicker and more efficient.)

I did answer your questions. At least I thought I did.
Questions from said post were not clear. Please ask again anything you want, and I'll answer. You better not blow me off again like that, though. That's rude and uncalled for. Especially if you're expressively asking for my opinion beforehand.

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(July 10, 2015 at 2:54 pm)Dystopia Wrote:

(July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: What's your fucking problem, idiot?

Go fuck yourself cunt.

I don't get it. Was I even talking to you at all? Why did you feel the need to butt in like that? And if you do disagree with me, provide reasons as to why, don't just try shutting me up just because my opinions don't fit with your particular worldview.