This is the argument that Christians use, when Atheists ask why people don't stone their neighbors for working on the Sabbath, and things like that. How do you counter arguments that these rules were for an earlier time? I mean, there are some old testament verses about people's animals falling into pits that certainly don't apply anymore.

Xtians make up lots of shit as they go along.

I always like to remind them that their own godboy said otherwise.

Quote:It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

(P.S. - they hate it when you throw their own bullshit at them. )

(October 11, 2010 at 8:38 pm)dave4shmups Wrote: This is the argument that Christians use, when Atheists ask why people don't stone their neighbors for working on the Sabbath, and things like that. How do you counter arguments that these rules were for an earlier time? I mean, there are some old testament verses about people's animals falling into pits that certainly don't apply anymore.

According to Christian theology, Jesus "fulfilled" the need to keep OT laws with his sacrifice on the cross.

During the early centuries of the development of the Christian religion, there were a wild variety of opinions about the OT. At one extreme were the Ebionite Christians who felt that the only thing Jesus changed was the need for animal sacrifice. All OT laws were still in force and salvation depended on one's ability to keep them. Historian and Bible scholar Bart Ehrman has written that their version of the teachings of Jesus were similar to what we find in the Gospel of Matthew. Essentially, the Ebionites were the most Jewish of the early Christians.

At the other extreme were the Marcionite Christians who rejected the OT, the Jewish god as a lesser, baser god and all things Jewish. Jesus was a higher god, separate from the Jewish god, Yahweh. Their scripture relied heavily on the teachings of Paul who clearly felt the old laws had no value in salvation.

Today's Christianity is like a patchwork of all these old versions and seems like a strange compromise between them. They've kept the OT but feel it no longer applies. They've kept the Jewish god but came up with this idea of the Trinity to merge Jesus and the Holy Spirit into the mix.

The Father, Christ and Holy Spirit were from the begining ie. Genesis. As for stoneing someone for working on the Sabbath that is against the laws of our country that was founded on religious freedom. All the OT law does not apply to christianity. Jesus said, it was said to hate your enemies, I say to love your enemies and even supply their needs. When the priest condemned the disciples for picking grain to eat on the Sabbath Jesus said do you not pull an ox from the ditch on the Sabbath, then He told them He was the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Jesus was saying to the priest that I have not judged them so why should you. Many different laws in the OT were meant for different reasons and some of those do not apply to todays world.

(October 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Many different laws in the OT were meant for different reasons and some of those do not apply to todays world.

Nobody tipped off the authors of the OT. Many of the laws that Christians like to ignore, like the one against shell fish, not only lacked an expiration date, they specifically said, "they shall forever be an abomination unto you."

Quote:The Father, Christ and Holy Spirit were from the begining ie. Genesis.

We can always count on you to regurgitate bullshit. You're a specialist, man.

(October 11, 2010 at 11:49 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(October 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Many different laws in the OT were meant for different reasons and some of those do not apply to todays world.

Nobody tipped off the authors of the OT. Many of the laws that Christians like to ignore, like the one against shell fish, not only lacked an expiration date, they specifically said, "they shall forever be an abomination unto you."

That applies to whom it was written Israel.

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(October 12, 2010 at 12:49 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The Father, Christ and Holy Spirit were from the begining ie. Genesis.

We can always count on you to regurgitate bullshit. You're a specialist, man.

It's right there in Genesis just because you think it's -------- doesn't make it so even though you think so, sorry to disappoint you Min.

(October 12, 2010 at 1:55 am)Godschild Wrote: That applies to whom it was written Israel.

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They are all dead, can we jettison the whole thing now?

(October 12, 2010 at 1:55 am)Godschild Wrote:

(October 12, 2010 at 12:49 am)Minimalist Wrote: We can always count on you to regurgitate bullshit. You're a specialist, man.

It's right there in Genesis just because you think it's -------- doesn't make it so even though you think so, sorry to disappoint you Min.

Prove it isn't. If genesis can be present without proof, then it can be deemed bullshit without proof.

(October 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Father, Christ and Holy Spirit were from the begining ie. Genesis.

I hate to ask as i've had this discussion before, but please regurgitate the appropriate passages with your interpretation of it.

(October 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: All the OT law does not apply to christianity.

That my dear friend is called cherry picking. Choose which laws apply and make up your own religion. It shouldn't be called Christianity, it should be called Roll Your Own Morality.

(October 12, 2010 at 2:24 am)Chuck Wrote: They are all dead, can we jettison the whole thing now?

Quote:This is the argument that Christians use, when Atheists ask why people don't stone their neighbors for working on the Sabbath, and things like that. How do you counter arguments that these rules were for an earlier time? I mean, there are some old testament verses about people's animals falling into pits that certainly don't apply anymore.

Any Christian who argues the law was done away with at the cross does not know what they are talking about. The Mosaic law (including the ten commandments) have been fullfilled, they were a shadow of things to come. However, if you want to keep the passover go ahead. Early Christians kept the Passover, not Easter (Easter was a pagan event). I personally keep the Sabbath and although some people are very legalistic (No swiming on the sabbath, no fun, no secular activites) I think Jesus said it very well, that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. However, in Jesus's time people were very legalistic, you had laws to prevent the torah from being broken (one of them was no healing on the sabbath) back when the Mosaic law was written it wasnt so much about being legalistic, it was trying to set of rules and principles for the Jews to keep that would make them live good lives, if they failed, they would sacrifice a lamb or some other animal...
The law has never been done away, but it has been fulfilled, in love...

Quote:The Father, Christ and Holy Spirit were from the begining ie. Genesis. As for stoneing someone for working on the Sabbath that is against the laws of our country that was founded on religious freedom. All the OT law does not apply to christianity. Jesus said, it was said to hate your enemies, I say to love your enemies and even supply their needs. When the priest condemned the disciples for picking grain to eat on the Sabbath Jesus said do you not pull an ox from the ditch on the Sabbath, then He told them He was the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Jesus was saying to the priest that I have not judged them so why should you. Many different laws in the OT were meant for different reasons and some of those do not apply to todays world.

I am sorry to say you are wrong. I have dont ample of research on the Sabbath and the law and none of them were done away with at the cross. Christianity was very much so Jewish, they kept the Torah, went to all the feasts and new moon celebrations.