(July 13, 2015 at 8:55 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 7:49 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Why do think this to be the case regarding Luke?

Because reality is devoid of magic.

Why do you believe that supernatural miracles do not occur?

(July 13, 2015 at 9:01 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe we should test how easy it is to make stuff up.

Can anyone make stuff up about a real person?

David Cameron once battled a thousand lizard warriors, armed only with a teacake and a VCR instruction manual.

Wow, that was quite easy. David Cameron is a real person. So does that make what I just made up about him true?

No? Well, what if I reeled off a bunch of towns that I live by, and other easily obtainable information first? Would it be true then? What if I got my mates to write it down too? How about in 2000 years?

What if you were to actually stop spending all your free time posting nonsense like that and started reading good books instead?

That way, you'd actually have something to say when you did post?

(July 13, 2015 at 9:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: To be fair, maybe it wasn't Luke, the writer, who made stuff up... but someone most likely did and he wrote that.

So, I can put you down as being in the Conspiracy Theory Camp?

The disciples made up the whole thing and conspired to spread what they knew to be a lie. That's your view?

Even if it can be proven that jesus lived and was crucified, it cannot be proven that he rose from the dead. It cannot be proven that he was dead. And it damn sure cannot be proven that he was the son of some invisible deity. So unless you are willing to accept Zeus as a real god, quoting religious mythology is useless for anything other than entertainment, poorly written at that. Your bible speaks of Zeus and 33 other gods at last count.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:10 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm pretty sure Matthew was making up his own stuff to add to the made up stuff

Yup, the Abe Lincoln analogy is perfect. There is no counter to it, from someone who is desperately trying to conflate a normal person and a magical person.

I would have thought by now Randy would realize this trick doesn't work on us, just like it didn't work when he joined. Maybe one day he'll reflect enough to consider that the problem could actually be the evidence, rather than atheists using god-like denial powers.

Not much of a "trick" here, rob. I'm giving you facts that scholars of all faith positions AGREE on after they have examined the evidence that you claim is problematic.

See, here's the thing: YOU are the one who is significantly out of sync with what the consensus is.

(July 13, 2015 at 9:14 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 9:09 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I thought the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter analogy was a pretty good one, and all Randy did was sip his coffee and fail to respond, so he's probably gonna gloss over this one, guys. Selective reading is, like, a super-power for the Catholics around here, I've noticed. Then again, I guess it would have to be after all that cherry-picking.

Come on... everyone knows that's a recent Hollywood movie.
World leaders playing Mahjong, on the other hand, now that's completely new to Randy (and maybe most of you).
And, who knows?... if we use his tactic of just repeating the same argument, but with slight differences, maybe he'll start seeing the merit in the argument...
(I know it's the same hope that he has we'll ever see the merit of his own argument(s))

I skip over cartoons, videos, memes, etc.

(July 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Easy Guns Wrote: Still no real evidence in this thread, I see.

Surprise, surprise.

Still no rebuttal to the evidence already presented.

Surprise, surprise.

(July 13, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Humans don't survive rigor mortis.

Right. You'd have to be like God or something to do that.

Quote:There is no such thing as zombie gods.

Right. Because God isn't dead.

(July 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Pizza Wrote:

(July 13, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Humans don't survive rigor mortis. There is no such thing as zombie gods.

I already pointed out that a resurrection goes against biology, but the Gary Habermas clone replied, "I'm not talking about a natural cause, I'm talking about a supernatural cause." What a joke. Special pleading is funny stuff.

Yes. Yes, you have. Big whoop. The God who created all life forms out of nothing by speaking them into existence is not constrained by your puny laws of nature.

But hey, why not actually make an argument as to why God would NOT be able to suspend His own laws if He chose to do so? Why not attempt any argument at all? See, if you're going to assert that the resurrection violates what we know of biology (which NO ONE disputes, btw), then your real mountain is to explain in no uncertain terms why God is somehow bound to obey the laws and priniciples which He himself created. You have not begun such a climb.

Quote:He still hasn't given an argument for holding one supernatural explanation as more likely than another. We still don't know why we are to hold supernatural explanations more likely than not either. Nor do we know why we are to hold one irregularity more likely than others.

See my CONCLUSION above. Feel free to offer your own alternative theory which explains ALL of the five facts.