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Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
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(July 13, 2015 at 9:01 am)robvalue Wrote: Maybe we should test how easy it is to make stuff up. What if you were to actually stop spending all your free time posting nonsense like that and started reading good books instead? That way, you'd actually have something to say when you did post? (July 13, 2015 at 9:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: To be fair, maybe it wasn't Luke, the writer, who made stuff up... but someone most likely did and he wrote that. So, I can put you down as being in the Conspiracy Theory Camp? The disciples made up the whole thing and conspired to spread what they knew to be a lie. That's your view?
Even if it can be proven that jesus lived and was crucified, it cannot be proven that he rose from the dead. It cannot be proven that he was dead. And it damn sure cannot be proven that he was the son of some invisible deity. So unless you are willing to accept Zeus as a real god, quoting religious mythology is useless for anything other than entertainment, poorly written at that. Your bible speaks of Zeus and 33 other gods at last count.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (July 13, 2015 at 9:10 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm pretty sure Matthew was making up his own stuff to add to the made up stuff Not much of a "trick" here, rob. I'm giving you facts that scholars of all faith positions AGREE on after they have examined the evidence that you claim is problematic. See, here's the thing: YOU are the one who is significantly out of sync with what the consensus is. (July 13, 2015 at 9:14 am)pocaracas Wrote:(July 13, 2015 at 9:09 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I thought the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter analogy was a pretty good one, and all Randy did was sip his coffee and fail to respond, so he's probably gonna gloss over this one, guys. Selective reading is, like, a super-power for the Catholics around here, I've noticed. Then again, I guess it would have to be after all that cherry-picking. I skip over cartoons, videos, memes, etc. (July 13, 2015 at 1:40 pm)Pizza Wrote:(July 13, 2015 at 12:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Humans don't survive rigor mortis. There is no such thing as zombie gods.I already pointed out that a resurrection goes against biology, but the Gary Habermas clone replied, "I'm not talking about a natural cause, I'm talking about a supernatural cause." What a joke. Special pleading is funny stuff. Yes. Yes, you have. Big whoop. The God who created all life forms out of nothing by speaking them into existence is not constrained by your puny laws of nature. But hey, why not actually make an argument as to why God would NOT be able to suspend His own laws if He chose to do so? Why not attempt any argument at all? See, if you're going to assert that the resurrection violates what we know of biology (which NO ONE disputes, btw), then your real mountain is to explain in no uncertain terms why God is somehow bound to obey the laws and priniciples which He himself created. You have not begun such a climb. Quote:He still hasn't given an argument for holding one supernatural explanation as more likely than another. We still don't know why we are to hold supernatural explanations more likely than not either. Nor do we know why we are to hold one irregularity more likely than others. See my CONCLUSION above. Feel free to offer your own alternative theory which explains ALL of the five facts. |
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