(July 15, 2015 at 12:11 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Deleted.

Keep going 

(July 14, 2015 at 12:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 12:04 am)KevinM1 Wrote: We're hypocrites because we haven't compiled a list of heinous things aside from religion for you to peruse?  Because we stay on-theme with what we do write here?  Because, like everyone else, we have our own pet interests/issues/causes?

If you're going to be against atrocities than be against ALL atrocities. What makes you a hypocrite is being selective. Science is your God / Absolute, yet we won't hear a peep from you about atrocities committed in the name of science.

Oh touche` stupid one. Why aren't you rallying the forces against slavery, divorce, women getting raped and the many other things that are "do's" and "dont's" in the bible? How come you choose to ignore the very heinous of things that are condoned by your gawd in the bible but tell us that we have to be against ALL atrocities? It's just like you to have those lovely double standards AGAIN.

(July 15, 2015 at 12:13 am)Spooky Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 12:11 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Deleted.

Keep going 

As expected.

Sometimes, you actually look smarter by letting the easy ones go.

(July 11, 2015 at 4:31 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 3:44 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Who's mad at god, Randy?

I name some names, they deny it, I look stupid...

Nah. Not gonna do it.

Just take off your atheist-colored glasses and read the posts without bias. You'll see.

So basically your admiring your position is bullshit right there and that actually no one is mad at god. Good were clear on that

(July 15, 2015 at 12:09 am)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 10:17 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Semantic. Bull. Shit.

Also, good job honing in on the easiest point to quibble over and acting like you're done. Regardless of what mental gymnastics you have to do to convince yourself that Jesus was his own daddy without being from Arkansas, you still haven't really addressed the important question: why demand a human sacrifice at all? Why demand a blood sacrifice at all, for that matter?

The logic seems to be that SOMEBODY had to be punished for all that sin, but this begs yet another question: why? What prevents a perfectly benevolent god from forgiving without blood being spilled? I can do that. I do it all the time. Why can I, a flawed human, forgive someone essentially on a whim, while the perfectly benevolent and loving god of the universe has to shed blood?

If it's because it has to be that way whether he likes it or not, then he is not all-powerful, for he can't do something that even I can do and is somehow bound by a set of rules that do not bind me. If it's because he chooses for it to be that way, then he is not perfectly benevolent, for a perfectly benevolent god would simply forgive without demanding anything.

Don't get used to hearing from me, but your theology is flawed. The answer is simple.

The answer to "why" is because God is also perfectly just. And perfect justice demands a redress.

Consequently, at the cross, perfect justice and perfect plant offeringsmercy met.

But again, why? God made everything, including the rules, right? That means he's the one who decided that "perfect justice" means spilling blood. He could have just as easily created a system where good works, plant offerings, or any number of things could have atoned for sin.

Why would a perfectly loving, benevolent, forgiving being define "perfect justice" as death and torture for eternity for even the smallest infraction? If he chose that system, then he is not perfectly loving and benevolent. If he is beholden to that system, then he is not all-powerful.

(July 15, 2015 at 12:33 am)Judi Lynn Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 12:20 am)Huggy74 Wrote: If you're going to be against atrocities than be against ALL atrocities. What makes you a hypocrite is being selective. Science is your God / Absolute, yet we won't hear a peep from you about atrocities committed in the name of science.

Oh touche` stupid one. Why aren't you rallying the forces against slavery, divorce, women getting raped and the many other things that are "do's" and "dont's" in the bible? How come you choose to ignore the very heinous of things that are condoned by your gawd in the bible but tell us that we have to be against ALL atrocities? It's just like you to have those lovely double standards AGAIN.

I don't think that many Christians really believe that their god is omnipotent and omniscient. Science does not claim to know everything nor can it demand worship. Scientist don't make claim that following science will lead to eternal life either.

If Christians make a claim that their sentiment being who is all powerful and all knowing is a just mythological figure then non Christians will judge him by his actions in the Christian holy book.

Christians claim that their god has a lot of omni attributes. Not only is he powerful but he is the most powerful being in the universe. He isn't just smart, he knows everything. Atheist take Christians at their word and expect the mythology to at least be consistent in its own world but it isn't. When a non Christian points out the flaws in the religion, Christians feel like their faith is under attack so they lash out or get defensive.

(July 15, 2015 at 8:16 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(July 15, 2015 at 12:09 am)Randy Carson Wrote: Don't get used to hearing from me, but your theology is flawed. The answer is simple.

The answer to "why" is because God is also perfectly just. And perfect justice demands a redress.

Consequently, at the cross, perfect justice and perfect plant offeringsmercy met.

But again, why? God made everything, including the rules, right? That means he's the one who decided that "perfect justice" means spilling blood. He could have just as easily created a system where good works, plant offerings, or any number of things could have atoned for sin.

Why would a perfectly loving, benevolent, forgiving being define "perfect justice" as death and torture for eternity for even the smallest infraction? If he chose that system, then he is not perfectly loving and benevolent. If he is beholden to that system, then he is not all-powerful.

I believe the idea of eternal fire torture is actaully not the only view of hell. Some say that hell is where the wicked go to learn the error of their ways until they understand what they did wrong. Others say that you go to hell to be consumed by the fire and you soul forever gone. The current view however is the strongest because it appeals to the greatest amount of fear from the common person and so is the best instument to use in converting. Also I read somewhere that for the longest time hell was merely a conceptual state of mind until someone thought of the idea of using it as a real place to scare people. It works well for a third of the population apparently. So let's go die in glorious battle and go to Valhala instead or is it Sto-vo-kor .

Yes, God is infinitely just and infinitely merciful. Jusitce is when you get what you deserve and mercy is when you don't. No wonder he comes off as bipolar.

(July 15, 2015 at 8:40 am)loganonekenobi Wrote: I believe the idea of eternal fire torture is actaully not the only view  of hell.  Some say that hell is where the wicked go to learn the error of their ways until they understand what they did wrong.  Others say that you go to hell to be consumed by the  fire and you soul forever gone.  The current view however is the  strongest because it appeals to the  greatest amount of fear from the common person and so is the best instument to use  in converting.  Also I read somewhere that for the longest time  hell was merely a conceptual state of mind until someone thought of the idea of using it as a real place  to scare people.  It works well for a third of the  population apparently.  So let's go die  in glorious battle and go to Valhala instead or is it Sto-vo-kor .

Well, no...there have been various views and definitions of hell and hell-like realms throughout human history, just as humans have made up various heavens, gods, and other things that cause weather or go bump in the night to explain away their fear of the unknown instead of killing that fear by making the unknown known.

Say that shit five times fast.

(July 14, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 14, 2015 at 8:41 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: So now we have the truth. Your pigheaded insistence that we are mad at god is not based on what we say but on Jesus antiquated assumption that people   would hate him. If Jesus said fire is cold you could burn your ass off and not be disabused because if Jesus said fire is cold then you're just going to believe that no matter what.

Vic is right, you are mad at reality. Reality gives the lie to your precious beliefs and you hate that. Can't stand it, sit it or lay it.

It's hard to take one serious when they use such an analogy as fire is cold, when Jesus plainly speaks of the fires of hell as you used it in another thread causes smoke and we all know that it takes heat to due such. I'm not mad at reality, that would be stupid reality is what it is and has no control of life. It is in fact the picture of life.

GC

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