(July 15, 2015 at 11:06 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Uhh no, they don't. That "one flesh" bullshit is just a theological scapegoat you're trying to state as a fact and then offer as support for your claim that marriage somehow creates a duty to hold another person's wants/needs as higher than one's own. When people get married, they're essentially agreeing to function as a family unit for legal and social purposes. They do not stop being themselves, and they do not fundamentally change from being two people into one, spiritually unified meta-person. There is no such thing as magic. Grow up.

Soo... Let me see if I understand youre say here.. Paul in 1 Corthinians 7 is issuing an edict to support the reason you/this society defines as how and why people are to get married? And you in all of your pinky thinkie-ness can't see an issue with that line of reasoning?

Despite what you think marriage is and should be, Christianity doesn't seem to agree. Nor does it agree with how marriages were carried out before what Paul wrote in 1 cor 7 where the Man did indeed have complete control and domination over his wife. Paul was changing paradigm of marriage from a male dominated relationship to one where both partners work as one being would, He was changing the attitudes in the church that would have social classes dominate another to putting everyone on the same level or playing field. However in marriage he even went a step further. He sought to unite those who were marriage in a bond stronger than the bond between the brother and sisters in the church. Which is the reason we are to live for the other person and not for ourselves/selfish desires.

Quote:[color=#cc3399]My wife and I don't just live together. We also love each other for the unique individuals that we are, and we cooperate and help each other because of that love and because it's practical for our happiness and survival. When my wife does not wish to have sex, I respect those wishes, and I don't hold her marital "duty" over her head, even if we haven't had sex in a while. If I don't want to have sex, then she respects mine. If we both want to have sex (for whatever our individual reasons may be), then we have it. What we DON'T do is press the issue when one of us or the other is clearly not interested in having sex. What is so hard about this concept?

The problem lies in the power one spouce has over the other with sex. If you live for what you 'want' then 'you' become the reason something gets done.

This selfishness is not at the center of a Christian Marriage. I'm not say you can't live like this, I'm just pointing out we have two different engines powering our marriages.

(July 15, 2015 at 11:55 am)Drich Wrote:

Soo... Let me see if I understand youre say here.. Paul in 1 Corthinians 7 is issuing an edict to support the reason you/this society defines as how and why people are to get married? And you in all of your pinky thinkie-ness can't see an issue with that line of reasoning?

Did what he said here make a lick of fucking sense? To anyone? Anyone at all? I realize it consists mostly of words in the english language, but this is a fucking salad. What the hell are you talking about?

No, I don't think you understood what I was saying. If that mess is what you got from it...then no.

Quote:Despite what you think marriage is and should be, Christianity doesn't seem to agree. Nor does it agree with how marriages were carried out before what Paul wrote in 1 cor 7 where the Man did indeed have complete control and domination over his wife. Paul was changing paradigm of marriage from a male dominated relationship to one where both partners work as one being would, He was changing the attitudes in the church that would have social classes dominate another to putting everyone on the same level or playing field. However in marriage he even went a step further. He sought to unite those who were marriage in a bond stronger than the bond between the brother and sisters in the church. Which is the reason we are to live for the other person and not for ourselves/selfish desires.

To be frank, I do not give any fucks at all what Christianity agrees with. My atheist marriage has already lasted significantly longer than my christian one did, so that should tell you something right there. Christian divorce rates are comparable to everyone else's (if not a little higher). Christian marriage does not create some magical bond, and the reliance on that idea is probably part of what fails so many christian marriages. Countries with the lowest divorce rates are not the countries with the most christian marriages, but the countries with the least human rights and the strictest marriage traditions. Divorce is a product of choice and freedom, not satan's influence.

Quote:The problem lies in the power one spouce has over the other with sex. If you live for what you 'want' then 'you' become the reason something gets done.

No, your problem lies in the power the spouse still has over their own body. This whole "I belong to her and she belongs to me" thing is really just another way of saying that neither spouse should be able to deny consent, that neither spouse should have autonomy over their sexual choices. Even if that goes both ways, it is not good or healthy. Nobody is ever entitled to another person's body. How can you even be arguing this in 2015? Fucking hell.

Quote:This selfishness is not at the center of a Christian Marriage. I'm not say you can't live like this, I'm just pointing out we have two different engines powering our marriages.

"Selfishness?" Having sex with your partner some of the time but not every single time they want it? Wanting to be able to opt out of a sexual experience you're not interested in having? That's selfish?

And how is it not selfish to use "marital duties" to obligate sexual submission from your partner? Because Paul says so? Because Jesus says so? Fuck those people.

I'm aware we have two different engines powering our marriages, and I would certainly fucking hope so. Mine is powered by mutual love and respect, while yours is powered by mutual duty and responsibility. Have fun with that.

Quote: Did what he said here make a lick of fucking sense?

When you get to know drippy better you'll realize that he never does.  The extent of his ability is to rattle off some bible bullshit and think it matters.

(July 12, 2015 at 11:09 am)Minimalist Wrote: Or so says asshole...probably a man.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/right-wi...sus-happy/

Quote:Right-wing Christian ‘expert’ on feminism insists that submitting to marital rape makes Jesus happy

Quote:There you have it, Christian wives … submitting to marital rape makes Jesus happy.

Mini....mini...mini! Always looking for a wart on the Christians ass.

With Christians being 32% of the world's population..... the "warts" are a lot rarer, than say.... most atheists (less than 2%) being as crude and childish as YOU! In fact you are "the" poster boy as far as I'm concerned....

The blind lonely lil' child, lashing out at the darkness with hate and contempt. And in the midst of it all: you only end up hurting yourself... proving, vindicating and strengthening those with Faith in God.

We look at your sorry ass... as a not so amused adult, watching the spoiled brat flail about on the floor kicking and screaming for attention. The epitome of what no one of us wants to be! Ty!

I don't own my fiancé's body, and I never will, regardless of our marital status. What an incredibly bizarre and rapey thing to say.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:22 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 11:09 am)Minimalist Wrote: Or so says asshole...probably a man.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/right-wi...sus-happy/

Mini....mini...mini! Always looking for a wart on the Christians ass.

With Christians being 32% of the world's population..... the "warts" are a lot rarer, than say.... most atheists (less than 2%) being as crude and childish as YOU! In fact you are "the" poster boy as far as I'm concerned....

The blind lonely lil' child, lashing out at the darkness with hate and contempt. And in the midst of it all: you only end up hurting yourself... proving, vindicating and strengthening those with Faith in God.

We look at your sorry ass... as a not so amused adult, watching the spoiled brat flail about on the floor kicking and screaming for attention. The epitome of what no one of us wants to be! Ty!

Not all atheists are as blunt as Min, but we need the likes of him to jump into the fray with a large portion of christianity and their ever growing violence and hate.  If anything he's a mirror to what christians really are.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:26 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: I don't own my fiancé's body, and I never will, regardless of our marital status. What an incredibly bizarre and rapey thing to say.

Well said.

(July 15, 2015 at 1:22 pm)ronedee Wrote: Mini....mini...mini! Always looking for a wart on the Christians ass.

With Christians being 32% of the world's population..... the "warts" are a lot rarer, than say.... most atheists (less than 2%) being as crude and childish as YOU! In fact you are "the" poster boy as far as I'm concerned....

The blind lonely lil' child, lashing out at the darkness with hate and contempt. And in the midst of it all: you only end up hurting yourself... proving, vindicating and strengthening those with Faith in God.

We look at your sorry ass... as a not so amused adult, watching the spoiled brat flail about on the floor kicking and screaming for attention. The epitome of what no one of us wants to be! Ty!

Because marital rape at the behest of the Bauble isn't the problem...it's you whiny atheists who are the problem!

I declare all of you children, and myself an adult, and that means I win!

Of course! Why didn't I see it before? I don't need facts or reason...I can just go around making proclamations and being a complete asshole! Genius!

http://youtu.be/NfRtkCGE40A

Quote:Mini....mini...mini! Always looking for a wart on the Christians ass.

And I don't even have to work overtime at it, Ronny.  You fuckers make it so easy.

How many altar boys have your fucking pervert priests sodomized lately?

(July 15, 2015 at 2:57 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: http://youtu.be/NfRtkCGE40A

...Wow.  I had never seen that before.  Thanks for sharing lol