That's a non-sequitur.
Her question was:
What in any of your "facts" even suggests that Jesus will be alive forever more?  And if he is still alive, why don't he write?  Make an appearance?  Say hi?

The you'll know some day approach is one of the last resorts of Christians without proof. Next comes, well really in your secret heart you already to believe.

I thought that was more of a Protestant thing, I guess Catholics do it also.

Edit- Now that I think about it, why can't we know now? What is with this game of divine peek a boo?

The Bible, like all holy books and religious writings are myths reflecting the societies in the times of which they were concocted.

Randy, will anything convince you to become an atheist? If you've answered no, then you're just trying to convert people. You're being intellectually dishonest.

(July 17, 2015 at 6:22 pm)Randy Carson Wrote:

(July 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Randy, something has been bugging me about this thread from the very beginning.  It's not just that your minimal facts do not prove Jesus rose from the dead even IF they were all true.  They wouldn't.  But you are claiming they prove the resurrection.  Resurrection is a much, much larger claim.  Many atheists or members of other religions may not know that, but I do, and I suspect you do too.  Resurrection is being raised from the dead to everlasting life.  What in any of your "facts" even suggests that Jesus will be alive forever more?  And if he is still alive, why don't he write?  Make an appearance?  Say hi?

Would you believe me if I said He does?



Not until he says, "Hi!" to you personally. Then, everyone in this forum will turn on you because you will have NO evidence.

But you will have KNOW evidence, and it will change your life.

Try again, slick.  Evidence is derived from the word 'evident'.  Evidence is only evidence if it is evident to others.  God tapping Jenny on the shoulder and saying "Hi" isn't evidence unless it's observed by someone else.  And, even then, that's only evidence of someone/thing interacting with her, not of your god.  That requires much more evidence, evidence which must eliminate other possibilities from being the most likely explanation.

(July 17, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(July 17, 2015 at 6:22 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Would you believe me if I said He does?



Not until he says, "Hi!" to you personally. Then, everyone in this forum will turn on you because you will have NO evidence.

But you will have KNOW evidence, and it will change your life.

But about that resurrection. . . .

I look forward to discussing that!

(July 17, 2015 at 9:03 pm)Pizza Wrote: That's a non-sequitur.
Her question was:
What in any of your "facts" even suggests that Jesus will be alive forever more?  And if he is still alive, why don't he write?  Make an appearance?  Say hi?

As God, Jesus is eternal. As man, he cannot die again.

Jesus isn't god, you stupid anthropomorphite.

(July 17, 2015 at 9:06 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The you'll know some day approach is one of the last resorts of Christians without proof.  Next comes, well really in your secret heart you already to believe.

Not really. It's just sort of the "buck stops here" kind of an answer because after death, we're all going to know.

But no, there are all sorts of proofs and evidence...it's just a matter of finding that which speaks to you.

For example, in another thread, you mentioned the Teleological argument as being the one that you find most intriguing.

But in that same thread, other people mentioned other arguments as speaking to them more.

Isn't that interesting? This means that "one size does not fit all", and the reason that apologists offer a variety of proofs and arguments is because it's hard to say in advance what will make an impression on someone.