(September 30, 2010 at 4:00 am)leo-rcc Wrote: He's responsible for the Volkswagen so he can't be bad.

What?

That's the most evil thing he ever did!!!

Hey I just got back from South Carolina and the rental car company gave me a Jetta. Very nice little car.

Although every time I went to reach for the gear shift I had an overwhelming tendency to want to salute.

(September 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm)solja247 Wrote: Was Hitler bad? I have heard some people say they dont believe anything is good or bad (objectively) that morality is just as if someone's favourite food is pizza, another is chocolate...

Although I completely disagree and I do believe Hitler was a bad man, a very bad man, infact I would call him evil...

Anyways was Hitler a bad man?

No, he was not a bad man.... but then it has never taken much to be a man. Unless you are a "transexual" man... then it's quite difficult to be seen as a man. Though that depends somewhat on where one lives.

Anyway, If I hold his level as 'bad', then what do I call those worse than him? As I see it: He was a misguided man, many men are misguided, but since when was a person 'bad' for being misguided? He was a man of principles, and he followed them very well. Your question, I find, is not wether Hitler was bad: it is wether his principles were bad. I think this same thing could be said of many people typically called 'bad'. And of the people declared 'good', a similar thing can be said.

Hitler was a self-justifying ideologue, like Obama or Churchill. They're all useless bastards, but nothing is 'objectively' 'bad'. I hate the demonizing of Nazism. People always hate it for the retarded reasons.

I have a post on my blog about this neverending quest to identify Nazis with Satan.

(September 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm)solja247 Wrote: Was Hitler bad? I have heard some people say they dont believe anything is good or bad (objectively) that morality is just as if someone's favourite food is pizza, another is chocolate...

Although I completely disagree and I do believe Hitler was a bad man, a very bad man, infact I would call him evil...

Anyways was Hitler a bad man?

Morality is relative, and according to the consensus, Hitler would be a very bad dude. Maybe in a thousand years, he will be looked as a hero. Look at Genghis Khan, he terrorized Europe, but today, he is quite revered. Similarly, slavery was a desirable thing. The Greeks had slaves, so did the Romans and the Western world had them until the 19th century. But now that's considered evil. Morality is a work in progress.

(October 16, 2010 at 8:24 am)ChromodynamicGirl Wrote: Hitler was a self-justifying ideologue, like Obama or Churchill. They're all useless bastards, but nothing is 'objectively' 'bad'.
I have a post on my blog about this neverending quest to identify Nazis with Satan.

Although I agree with your assessment of both Obama and Chuirchill, I think it's drawing a fairly long bow to compare them with Hitler*


I don't mean to be unkind, but why would I want to read your blog after that analogy?

Quote:I hate the demonizing of Nazism. People always hate it for the retarded reasons.

What retarded reasons might they be?. Do you perhaps mean the abolition of democracy in Germany, political murders or The Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 which stripped Jews of their citizenship. Or perhaps mass murders,such as at Babi Yar,the establishment of 15 THOUSAND concentration camps ,or the Holocaust,which entailed the murder of people on an industrial scale-as a result we added a new word to our vocabulary; genocide.

I guess if you over look those pettyfogging misdemeanors, you're quite right. People are just being mean demonising the Nazis.

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Quote:Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1989 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all discussions—regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Quote:Babi Yar (Ukrainian: Бабин Яр, Russian: Бабий Яр) is a ravine in the Ukrainian capital Kiev and a site of a series of massacres carried out by the Nazis during their campaign against the Soviet Union. The most notorious and the best documented of these massacres took place on September 29–30, 1941, wherein 33,771 Jews were killed in a single operation. The decision to kill all the Jews in Kiev was made by the military governor, Major-General Friedrich-Georg Eberhardt, the Police Commander for Army Group South, SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Jeckeln, and the Einsatzgruppe C Commander Otto Rasch. It was carried out by combined forces of SS, SD and SiPo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

Quote:Although I agree with your assessment of both Obama and Chuirchill, I think it's drawing a fairly long bow to compare them with Hitler

I don't. The trio are all crazies supported by socialist twits. As far as this bogus 'moral' analysis goes, I do not care about people's imaginary constructions. 'Evilness' is a not a real quality.

Quote:I don't mean to be unkind, but why would I want to read your blog after that analogy?

Anyone who can't see the symmetry between them (other than the fact that Hitler, unlike Obama, was a good public speaker) is not someone I want to have as a reader. I do not cast pearls to swine.

Quote:What retarded reasons might they be? Do you perhaps mean the abolition of democracy in Germany

There's one example, democracy is retarded.

Quote:political murders

Politics is murder. Well, murder and robbery. Not that I'm judging, mind you.

Quote:The Nuremberg Race Laws

Which openly copied Progressivist measures?
Anyways, yes, everyone hates Nazis because they were anti-democratic, inegalitarian, didn't like jews, blah, blah, blah. The problem with Nazis, from the standpoint of economic and civil order, is that they were socialists and people obeyed the government. I could care less whether or not they liked gypsies, without the stupidity and herdishness of the German people (as with the Americans under FDR) they would have been more soap-boxing dolts.

It's clearly just Progressive mythologizing, OH GOD FDR SAVED THE WORLD FROM SATAN (wrong, the Nazis never could have conquered the world) AND GAVE US SWEET DEMOCRACY (unfortunately true). I don't give a shit about stuff that happened over half a century ago to people I've never met, except for their entertainment value, and Nazis are definitely the coolest of that pack. I also like Genghis Khan and root for Melkor in Lord of the Rings. You know why? Because they weren't Progressive pussies and milk-sop democrat idiots. At least their crazy involved cool outfits. The only people who don't get this are religious fanatics, like social democrats.

(September 17, 2010 at 6:52 pm)solja247 Wrote: Was Hitler bad? I have heard some people say they dont believe anything is good or bad (objectively) that morality is just as if someone's favourite food is pizza, another is chocolate...

Although I completely disagree and I do believe Hitler was a bad man, a very bad man, infact I would call him evil...

Anyways was Hitler a bad man?

Well, my conception of morality has always been pretty utilitarian; the Good must always be weighed against the Bad. And folks, I doubt that any good thing he did could help to balance out the extermination of 6 million Jews and millions of goyim, not to mention the sheer facepalm-inducing military strategy... But then again, what would have happened if, early on, he had been assassinated, and somebody actually competent managed to take over?

Of course, this is all subjective, and trying to give a completely objective judgment of anything is, in the end, pointless.

Quote:But then again, what would have happened if, early on, he had been assassinated, and somebody actually competent managed to take over?

The world could quite possibly have been a better place. The basic idea of a single world governmnet is a good one, but Hitler decided to kill millions of people for some reason.

The Allies killed millions to stop him, as well.

Obviously, "killing" is not an example of an "objectively bad" behavior. As with everything it depends on who is getting killed and who is doing the killing.