(October 17, 2010 at 9:11 pm)ChromodynamicGirl Wrote: Like I would even do that. As I said, I don't fucking care about this forum or you monkeys. It is, at best, a way to pick out your stupidities so I have something to write about.

So, instead of holding a conversation, you would rather write about the internet meanies in your diary?

(October 17, 2010 at 7:59 pm)ChromodynamicGirl Wrote: at least until I get some kind of genocide trigger to eliminate the unworthies.

Be sure to test it on yourself first, it can't work on any unworthies unless it works on you.

(October 17, 2010 at 9:17 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote: How could I have possibly missed the point of the question? Your motive is as clear as the meaning of life!!! A hypothetical question does not & cannot have a proven answer. You may speculate as well as the next person, but your assertions cannot hold water, becuase they are just that, assertions. The fact is, I didn't anwer the question how you would have liked me too.

I'm sorry, I was thinking under the impression that you were going to at least recognise that competency and evil were not mutually exclusive. For What it's Worth, I read earlier that the Allied Powers planned to assassinate him, but decided against it because they realised how incompetent he truly was (Did I mention he decided to invade a nation who routed off their last invader primarily by nature of being fucking huge?) But what if he got assassinated and one of his employees (probably Goering, Bormann, or Himmler, especially Bormann) ended up gaining power before the war was finished? That was the question I was thinking. I should have put even more emphasis on the comparable evil and less Terl-like behavior of Hitler's cronies. I should probably have made clearer that I meant "what if Hitler had been assassinated and we hadn't won the war yet?"

Well thats all well and good. I did say the Germans would have won the war if Hitler was assasinated, which is what you have just stated yourself. I think your just stepping around the subject, for the sake of your own satisafction.

But what if..........but what if.......... and just fill in the blanks with any number of responces. Please.

Quote:But what if he got assassinated and one of his employees (probably Goering, Bormann, or Himmler, especially Bormann) ended up gaining power before the war was finished? That was the question I was thinking.

Well thats what you should have written. Don't say one thing, then when it dosen't work out, change your tune to suit yourself. You can assume, pressume & change your story all you like, it makes no diffrence! ;-).

(October 17, 2010 at 10:40 pm)ib.me.ub Wrote:

Quote:But what if he got assassinated and one of his employees (probably Goering, Bormann, or Himmler, especially Bormann) ended up gaining power before the war was finished? That was the question I was thinking.

Well thats what you should have written. Don't say one thing, then when it dosen't work out, change your tune to suit yourself. You can assume, pressume & change your story all you like, it makes no diffrence! ;-).

Okay. I suppose I should have made that clearer. That said, I believe that there are a lot of things that, if they are going to be discussed online, should at least be researched, and Hitler is definitely one of them.

Yes, indeed, I will definitely agree with you there.

(October 17, 2010 at 10:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: But what if he got assassinated and one of his employees (probably Goering, Bormann, or Himmler, especially Bormann) ended up gaining power before the war was finished? That was the question I was thinking. I should have put even more emphasis on the comparable evil and less Terl-like behavior of Hitler's cronies. I should probably have made clearer that I meant "what if Hitler had been assassinated and we hadn't won the war yet?"

For certain that once the US and Russia were involved Germany was never going to win.

But even if Hitler had been assassinated, if Himmler et al had taken over the very nature of the Nazi party would not have allowed them to relinquish direction of the war.

Look at the people you're talking about, Goering was a dilettante who spent most of his time at Karinhall playing with his toy trains, Himmler when he did try to play at soldier(when he was appointed commander of army group Vistula in "45) proved to be a complete incompetent and Bormann preferred to stay behind the throne.

But even if if the Army had have been allowed to run the war if would not have mattered, the Second world war was a war of production and Germany was never going to beat America or Russia in that game.

(October 18, 2010 at 6:52 am)Zen Badger Wrote: For certain that once the US and Russia were involved Germany was never going to win.

But even if Hitler had been assassinated, if Himmler et al had taken over the very nature of the Nazi party would not have allowed them to relinquish direction of the war.

Look at the people you're talking about, Goering was a dilettante who spent most of his time at Karinhall playing with his toy trains, Himmler when he did try to play at soldier(when he was appointed commander of army group Vistula in "45) proved to be a complete incompetent and Bormann preferred to stay behind the throne.

But even if if the Army had have been allowed to run the war if would not have mattered, the Second world war was a war of production and Germany was never going to beat America or Russia in that game.

Now that's an answer! My guess is that Bormann would probably be, by far, the most competent of the three, but, then again, what if Hitler was assassinated and Heydrich was still around? The man was violently insane, but his record with Bohemia and Moravia showed him to be far more competent that Hitler (disturbingly, the resistance movements there were all but finished with Heydrich's appointment), masterminded the Holocaust, and even looked the part of the Aryan ideal. Of course, getting Russia and America into the war totally boned Germany's chances of victory, at least until they had completely conquered Europe, but if the leaders were competent, they wouldn't have tried to piss off the largest countries on Earth until their military was comparably strong.
Yes, historical speculation is meaningless, but it can be fun.

Hitler's blunders not withstanding, He had five things going with the German military: 1. They were indebted to him for throwing off the restrictions of Versaille, 2. for the rearmament of 1934-1939, 3. for satisfying the nationalist demand to recover territories lost in 1919, 4. he had credibility from the military victories of 1939-1942 made possible by his regime, and 5. German military personale all swore oath of loyalty to him personally.

None of the three people had any of those going for them. Goering might have had a little military credential by virtue of being head of Luftwaffe, but Luftwaffe is the junior service to the army, and his clout more or less evaporated by 1942. Himmler had waffen SS, but Waffen SS is mostly at the front and under army's operational command. SD, Gestapol, and police would be no match for the army. Borman's authority stems from proximity to Hitler. If Hitler dies he is nobody.

Nazi party might be powerful. But it is only united while Hitler is alive. Hitler purposedly built overlapping authorities to promote mutural hostility of different nazi party department to enable himself to retain better control. With Hitler gone, nazi party will disintegrate into a nonfunctional collection of infighting feifdoms. This will leave the German army as the most powerful influence in the state.

So I think if any of those three people succeed him, it's only a matter of time before the army depose of him and install a professional solder as next head of state.

Negotiating with any of those three people, or with a military dictator nominated by the army, would be unacceptable to the Allies. So Germany would still go down in total defeat.

I don't know. La Patrie en danger is a powerful rallying cry, especially when you're in the middle of a war. Hell, that tit-turd Bush used it and we weren't even in danger.